Posted on 12/16/2007 10:43:41 AM PST by marktwain
Jeanne Assam, the heroine of the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, would likely have been unable to carry the Beretta that she stopped the shooting with if she had been a licensed security guard.
An AP article published on 12 December noted that licensed security guards in Colorado Springs are restricted to the use of revolvers.
As Jeanne Assam was a volunteer parishioner who was performing security guard duties because the church did not want to hire “mercenaries”, she was almost certainly not affected by the regulations, which only apply to government regulated security guards.
Fortunately, her lack of official status with the state and city allowed her to carry a firearm with sufficient firepower to accomplish the necessary task.
Jeannette had to fire 10 rounds to keep her fellow parishoners safe.
My post was somewhat of a joke BUT I have found that the CorBons do not work as advertised in my P3AT. Zero expansion.
I use Silver Tips as that is what my personal testing has shown to be best penetrating and expanding. Now that Buffalo Bore is making .380 I am planning on giving them a try.
I already use their Heavy 45LC loads for hunting.
The article explains two things.
First, her Beretta is most likely in 9mm, a lethal round, but it is known for it’s insufficient stopping power.
Second, that the State of Colorado is run by a bunch of nannies who are afraid that armed guards might actually be armed.
Ping
Not part of the CRS (Colorado Revised Statutes)= It looks like a local, city or county ordnance.
There is no state law covering the topic.What is being discussed in the article is a CITY ordinance for the city of Colorado Springs.
Unless you are intending to run over him with an Abrams. Then 12 fps. is quite effective if he is only about 6 feet away.
Isn’t that “shoot till they stop (moving) or start decomposing”.
Sorry, I should have been more clear, I did state that the restriction was a City or County Ordinance, but I also stated that I thought that Colorado Government had become a Nanny State. Those statements should probably not have appeared together. I still believe that the State and its subdivisions are moving rapidly toward an over regulated system designed to make California Transplants feel more at home.
I bought a 92FS for my son. Best gun I ever bought. I’d target shoot against any pistol with it-ANY pistol.
It seems that practicing at a range is way different than being in a situation where someone’s shooting at you. And from what I read, she was approaching the shooter while firing.
I’ve never been in a situation where my life was in danger while shooting at a target. However, I have participated in shooting sports where stress is involved, specifically bowling pin and USPSA competitions. In some of those USPSA matches, there were somewhat stressful situations and in many cases, we had to engage targets while we were moving. We used to joke that one of our range masters was planning to start a match by hitting us with an electrical cattle prod. I understand how difficult it is to hit your target while under stress. And it’s even more difficult to do so while you’re moving. And, as I said, I did this knowing that I was in a controlled, safe environment.
And it’s a known fact that the vast majority of “well trained” people in her situation fire far more rounds than actually hit the target. It’s unfortunate, but true. Of course, I’m talking about both military and law enforcement here.
Mark
You would be blinded by the flash.
That hasn't been my experience shooting at dimly lit ranges... Maybe it depends more on the powder and load used. But I've shot pistols with compensators for many years on relatively dark ranges, where the only light down range was a spotlight on the target, and it wasn't all that bright.
Mark
So how many gunfights have you won, Cowboy?
The city ordinance may have been put in place to provide
CO Sps Police with after hours work
True, however most states which have a legal requirement for liscenced security personnel to be armed with a revolver further specify that said revolver be no more powerful than a .38 Special, which is totally inadequate. (When I went through training for the Commonwealth of Virginia as a security officer, this was the case, and I suspect Colorado's statutes read similarly, if not identically.)
the infowarrior
Yes, highly effective. Since an Abrams weighs at least 60 tons, it makes for a really good impact.
The down side is that an Abrams is rather large to be a good weapon for CCW.
Doesn't emptying the magazine into attacker #1 mean that one will be unarmed against attacker #2?
The Lord protected her in more ways than one.
Absolutely correct. My wife infers things that I never implied all the time. I've often used the old Barry Farber line "Please do not infer what I did not imply.
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