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Four People Shot Outside Colorado Springs New Life Church
Fox News ^ | 09 DEC 07 | Fox News

Posted on 12/09/2007 12:49:26 PM PST by aomagrat

Edited on 12/09/2007 12:59:09 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

[I waited 45 seconds and actually posted something substantial--Ed.]

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — At least four people were shot outside of a Colorado Springs church on Sunday, but it was not immediately known whether the shootings were related to an earlier shooting about 70 miles away, authorities said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Colorado
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To: dawn53

WEll... that’s fine. Let me see.... Several other people here in Colorado who are “doctors” and are “not foreign” ALSO they are Muslims. So, I guess since I live in AMERICA I’m allowed to speculate.

So, I never said anything about foreign. I said MUSLIM. And, I was speculating.

The pastor from the church in on TV right now, and he said “This man came to this church with the intent to do harm to people. He is not known here, he has no part in this church, he is not employed here, and he doesn’t go to this church.”

The guy came here to the Springs, RANDOMLY? I HIGHLY doubt it.

I STRONGLY believe that this guy is the same one that shot people in the Denver area. I HEARD the radio descriptions (scanners) - and there’s no DOUBT it is the same guy.


1,461 posted on 12/10/2007 8:07:42 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Rte66

Irish? haha. Catholic perhaps? Yeah, perhaps we should “speculate” in that direction then, instead of “singling” out some OTHER group of people.

I just heard that the gal that took down the perp was “in plain clothes, carrying a concealed weapon, and had a permit to carry that weapon concealed”!!!!!!!


1,462 posted on 12/10/2007 8:11:18 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: nicmarlo
True, but way back when most universities started out as a place for preparing its students to enter the pastoral field. What a long long way off the mark those same institutions have gone!

Those who founded our state operated institutions of learning overwhelmed the field a couple of centuries after those first universities were established. Happened around the time we imported the "Ph D" from Germany. Germany was the only place in the world that had the Ph D, so intellectuals from America had to go there to get one.

What had begun with the "French" Enlightenment had morphed into the collectivism of socialism & communism. Continental Europe was a hotbed of revolution, with the "intellectual class" leading the charge. Course that was attractive to our homegrown intellectuals, cuz it made them the top dogs. In Europe, it was the intellectual elite class against the old guard elite & both believed they had the right to rule the masses.

We didn't have any real old guard elite defending hereditary power, so revolution wasn't necessary here. All that was needed was the power to shape the minds of the masses to follow the intellectual elites... Faith in Almighty God was the big stumbling block to that & keep in mind, religion in the US was a choice, not a state mandate. We were a nation spawned by true believers. It bubbles up from the bottom instead of being dictated from the top down, which makes us naturally less collectivist than most Europeans.

Anyway, our newly minted Ph D's came back & set up programs in the US so future generations of American intellectuals could earn them here. They were joined by a bunch of "forty-eighters" who also went into the area of education after they got here. They began to remake our entire education system, top to bottom.

1,463 posted on 12/10/2007 8:16:25 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Please ping me if more facts are posted about this incident. Thanks.

I went to bed before you posted this to me, so I'm doing some catch up myself.

1,464 posted on 12/10/2007 8:18:26 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: Rick.Donaldson
I STRONGLY believe that this guy is the same one that shot people in the Denver area. I HEARD the radio descriptions (scanners) - and there’s no DOUBT it is the same guy

The Denver/Arvada BOLO report indicated a possible bearded individual wearing glasses. It'll be interesting to see if the deceased Colorado Springs shooter fits that description.

1,465 posted on 12/10/2007 8:25:35 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Marysecretary

BUT CHRIST WON title deed back at Calvary and the Risen-from tomb

. . . and is returning soon to take possession and close the transaction forever.

PTL.


1,466 posted on 12/10/2007 8:28:04 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: I'm ALL Right!

You have to kiss a lot of butt at some of these liberal schools. They do NOT like conservatism in any form.


1,467 posted on 12/10/2007 8:31:16 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Rte66

I used to say that to my kids but I used a different version: If Mama ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy.”


1,468 posted on 12/10/2007 8:33:56 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: incindiary

You are absolutely right. This IS a spiritual battle. Our country is in the battle for its soul.


1,469 posted on 12/10/2007 8:36:20 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
Maybe the police are keeping the guy’s identity close, so as not to give him fame.

Since net postings of a lot of perps have been found by the public soon after names are released, could be they wanna do a thorough search themselves before they let the pajama people do it. What would it look like if they say he had no links to any terrorists & the general public finds evidence to the contrary.

1,470 posted on 12/10/2007 8:37:44 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: Marysecretary

The last group in Denver that wore black trenchcoats and hated Christians was the Trenchcoat mafia. Well, it looks like they are back. Maybe if they had prosecuted them last time this wouldn’t have happened.


1,471 posted on 12/10/2007 8:38:48 AM PST by starviego ("You've got to be quick if you're running from feds or special ops" --Jeff Weise Red Lake 3-21-05)
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To: sweetliberty

It’s my understanding that we were born with a sinful nature. Is that not true?


1,472 posted on 12/10/2007 8:40:16 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: NautiNurse

Quix is not wacky. He’s expressive. It’s his fashion. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.


1,473 posted on 12/10/2007 8:43:30 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Quix
BUT CHRIST WON title deed back at Calvary and the Risen-from tomb

. . . and is returning soon to take possession and close the transaction forever.

PTL

Amen.... and I might add the words of the hymn " This is My Fathers' World"....

This Is My Fathers' World,

and may we ne'er forget,

that though the wrong seems oft so strong,

He is the ruler yet! Praise God....

1,474 posted on 12/10/2007 8:43:48 AM PST by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: Quix
YWAM is one of the best Christian orgs I know of. Their training is great and their people often carry an anointing of Holy Spirit uncommon in this era. Evidently God disagrees with the naysayers.

Yes, I learned a lot at YWAM, based out of the Manoa Valley, Oahu, Hi. This was back in the late 70's when I was legally still young. I have to wonder how/why anyone would want to murder these young missionaries. I agree it's one of the best organizations in Cristianity, or was back then. I can only think when this comes these murderers lives are focused on, that they really had a problem more with the teachings of the Bible than with random( is there such a thing?) executions.

Blessings to the familes involved, to the families of the killers and let God sort out the rest on this one as usual. Dang, the world is or has turned upside down.

1,475 posted on 12/10/2007 8:45:15 AM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Thanx for the update.


1,476 posted on 12/10/2007 8:45:59 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: pollywog

WONDERFUL SONG.

Do you have all the words? Worth posting, I think.

Thanks.


1,477 posted on 12/10/2007 8:46:07 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

You will be happy to hear that I’ve been accepted and put on a waiting list for the transplant. I’ve contacted my donor and we will both need more blood work done to determine the antigens, etc. Please pray that it all goes well and according to God’s will. I don’t believe He would have put this dear one in our church for a short time if He hadn’t planned on this long ago. It’s scary to me though to have to have steroids and other drugs for the rest of my life. I don’t like what I hear about the side effects. But, I’m on the path... Love, maryxxx


1,478 posted on 12/10/2007 8:47:05 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
The guy came here to the Springs, RANDOMLY? I HIGHLY doubt it.

Yeah, it wasn't random. It also wasn't Muslim. There was a list on an article related to this subject that listed out the recent church shootings in the US. None were Muslim. I see no reason this trend won't continue. Religion is a highly charged area and people get worked up over it pretty easily. This is a self-hating "Christian" who couldn't resolve the conflict of darkness and light within himself. That's my conjecture and I'll be sticking with it.

1,479 posted on 12/10/2007 8:48:03 AM PST by the808bass
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To: Karliner

AMEN.

I agree.

It is the teaching of The Bible that strike at the heart of rebellion, lawlessness, lust, selfishness, fear mongering etc.

And Christians who even somewhat authentically live out the Bible are more than an irritating affront to folks in rebellion against God.

They crucified pure Love. We are warned by Him to be prepared that the world will hate us.

All the more so when the globalist rulers that be are deliberately winding up the hatred of God and authentic Christians toward trying to stamp all such out.

Thankfully, God will laugh in derision at their folly.

Between now and then . . . much blood.


1,480 posted on 12/10/2007 8:49:07 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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