Posted on 12/02/2007 9:28:01 AM PST by Graybeard58
“Reagan’s immigration law had tough enforcement measures that were never enforced.”
Which, of course, is why we don’t trust anyone in DC with this issue. We accepted amnesty because we thought it would clean up a leak that had been fixed. Instead, the leak was never fixed, and the plumber got paid anyway, and now the same plumber wants to fix it plus send a much larger bill this time.
> Yes, I notice that Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, Tom Tancrado, Ron Paul, all our BEST conservatives running have all been in government serving for decades in the majority and minority, while all your listed sins were being committed.
They all fought the tide of the mushmouth RINOs. They did not aid and abet them. RINOs have been aided and abetted by people who were willing to settle for unholy compromises again and again, giving ground to the point where our position is tenuous indeed.
Even if I cannot always win, I will always fight for what is right. I’m not willing to get boiled like the proverbial frog who stays in the gradually heating water.
What’s your solution? Lie back and enjoy the slide into the high-spending, big government, amoral tide, merely because an “R” has been stapled to it?
For my part, if there is breath in me, I fight.
I'm with you there! :-)
The fallocy of Reagan being pro-abortion has been discredited many, many times here on FR.
Reagan signed a law in 1967, his first year as govenor, allowing “therapeutic” abortion is VERY limited instances, mother’s life/health/etc.
He was assured by his aides Lyn Nofsinger and Ed Meese that the legislation would result in only a handful of abortions each year.
Abortionists exploited this new law, basically performing them on demand.
One year later, Reagan told his staff that he would never have signed the bill had he known what was going to happen.
He said that signing the bill was the ‘greatest mistake’ as governor and would never had done it if he was a more expeienced executive.
I never voted for Reagan on his ideology or his ideologic purity. I voted for Reagan because I thought he could lead and I TRUSTED him. History validates me and millions upon millions of the others who voted for Reagan.
Without question, the media would call Reagan a bigot and today's decidedly more liberal electorate would have nominated Bush I or Baker as GOP nominee.
The Silent Majority left over from the Nixon days elected Reagan as a counter reaction to the excesses of the 60s, 70s and Carter. The the Moral Majority picked up the slack.
Now the first group is gone and the second is dying off quick.
Now ...the most conservative bloc is my group....white ...Christian....Southern and married with kids....male or female ....and we are dwindling too
The article doesn’t say Reagan was pro-abortion, it says he was for abortion rights before he was against them.
Reagan gets a bum rap on the abortion bill he signed. People keep reporting that he approved of open ended legal abortion, which isn’t true. The bill he signed only permitted abortion when the mother’s life or health were at stake. It was only supposed to permit abortions when the mother was literally bleeding to death or something like that. Bureaucrats and judges later “interpreted” the word “health” to mean things like depression and disappointment (i.e., she’ll be upset if she doesn’t get the abortion so her “health” is at risk) and it ended up being “abortion on demand”, but that wasn’t Reagan’s intention when he signed the bill.
The amnesty bill Reagan signed was in retrospect a mistake, but at the time it seemed like a fair compromise. The bill gave amnesty to around three million illegals, and in return the feds were supposed to strictly enforce our border laws so that we never ended up with three million illegals living here again. If the latter part had worked, it wouldn’t have been a bad deal, but we now know that A) the amnesty only encouraged more foreigners to sneak into the country and B) enforcement of our border laws were relaxed, not tightened.
Reagan would recognize that his 1986 amnesty was a mistake if he were alive today.
A distinction without a difference.
Former President Reagan was a Man of the people (all the people). This fact alone scares the liberals to death. Given the opportunity, this Nation, a Conservative Nation will vote Conservative at every vote. The American People are not idiots as this author actually wants to say. Instead, the common woman and man, the silent ones, are highly intelligent. Conservatism works, every time it is tried. Want to scare a liberal? Vote for Conservatives!
Why else would this author attack one of the Greatest Presidents of this age?
Normal Operating Procedure, from liberals.
Read more here:
Adamantly pro-choice? Ronald Reagan and abortion in 1967.
RedState.com ^ | Aug. 22, 2007 | Mark Kilmer
Posted on 08/23/2007 7:40:29 AM EDT by Josh Painter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1885297/posts
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And here:
Adamantly pro-choice? Ronald Reagan and abortion in 1967.
The governor is innocent of Romney’s charge.
Here are Reagan’s own words:
“Now, with regard to the permissive bill I supposedly signed, let me give you the correct history of what took place early in my term as governor.
“A bill was introduced that was permissive, indeed was abortion on demand. Naturally, there was great controversy about this bill. The author finally sent word that he would amend his bill to anything the governor would sign. Faced with this responsibility, I probably did more study and more soul searching on the subject that I had done on anything in my eight years as governor.
“I came to the conclusion, as I have already stated, that it [abortion] could only be justified to save a human life. The matter of health—meaning the permanent damage to the health of the mother if she went through with her pregnancy—was brought up.
“It seemed to me that the mother would have the right to protect herself from permanent damage just as she would be able to protect herself, even if it meant taking a life, from someone threatening her with mayhem, so I agreed to that provision. I thought there was adequate provision in the bill requiring responsible boards in the medical profession to declare such permanent harm would follow the birth of the child.
“Perhaps it was my inexperience in government, but, like so many pieces of legislation, there were loopholes that I had not seen, and the thing that made the California abortion bill become somewhat permissive in nature was violation of the spirit of the legislation by the groups that were supposed to police it.
“This was particularly true in the case of psychiatrists. If faced with the same problem today, I can assure you I would make sure there were no loopholes in the bill.”
Quite true, and yes, it is sad. The MSM has done a good job of convincing people that conservatives are right wing kooks. And what’s more sad is the fact that many conservatives have bought into this lie. How else can you explain the fact that a good number of FReepers here are willing to vote for one of the most liberal "republicans" who’s ever run for president? Now that’s really SAD.
They will come up with something...never speechless are they.
btt
Well, did he or didn’t he sign the bill for abortion rights?
It seems to me he did, and nothing you posted refutes that fact.
That’s what the writer pointed out.
You may not like it, and it’s obvious Reagan regretted it, but the theme of the entire piece is about changes in politicians political lives.
Yup, so damn true it hurts. We’re attcking Huckabee and McCain, heck the whole field. Honorable conservatives for the most part. We may as well as hand the election to the dems.
Example....from the author....
Through it all, they ignore the real Reagan
Apparantly this author knew not the Man, his passions, nor his ability to tell the American People, the truth.
I am inspired....The author just did more damage to the liberals, if this piece is widely read, than the liberals constantly do to themselves.
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