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Evolution Debate Led to Ouster, Official Says
Associated Press ^ | November 30, 2007 | The Associated Press

Posted on 12/01/2007 12:39:07 PM PST by Alter Kaker

AUSTIN, Tex., Nov. 29 (AP) — The state’s director of science curriculum said she resigned this month under pressure from officials who said she had given the appearance of criticizing the teaching of intelligent design.

The Texas Education Agency put the director, Chris Comer, on 30 days’ paid administrative leave in late October, resulting in what Ms. Comer called a forced resignation.

The move came shortly after she forwarded an e-mail message announcing a presentation by Barbara Forrest, an author of “Creationism’s Trojan Horse.” The book argues that creationist politics are behind the movement to get intelligent design theory taught in public schools. Ms. Comer sent the message to several people and a few online communities.

Ms. Comer, who held her position for nine years, said she believed evolution politics were behind her ousting. “None of the other reasons they gave are, in and of themselves, firing offenses,” she said.

Education agency officials declined to comment Wednesday on the matter. But they explained their recommendation to fire Ms. Comer in documents obtained by The Austin American-Statesman through the Texas Public Information Act.

“Ms. Comer’s e-mail implies endorsement of the speaker and implies that T.E.A. endorses the speaker’s position on a subject on which the agency must remain neutral,” the officials said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; id; scienceeducation
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To: Southack
The reason that alleles have a limited number of forms for any given gene is that the gene really isn’t mutating so much as processing information differently based upon environmental inputs.

Have you ever stopped to quantify this assertion? You realize, of course, that nearly all differences between a wolf and a teacup poodle are covered by your "limited number of forms."

Not to mention the difference between you and Einstein, which may be even greater.

Most of evolution is variation at the level of allele variation. In the years after the evolutionary synthesis, evolution was defined as a change in allele frequency in populations.

121 posted on 12/02/2007 7:43:19 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

Most of Evolution is a pretty theory that sounds good if you are drinking heavily in college, but hardly the stuff of the next generation of science.

That the same genes can be considered to be mutated when they simply perform a function in a different manner based upon a changed local environment...just goes to show that even Darwinists are beginning to realize that the DNA programming song remains the same (little Led Zep allusion for ya).

Same gene...no evolution.

Darwinists need to study more computer science. Data processing and coding (genetic or otherwise) is already aptly understood in *that* branch of science.


122 posted on 12/02/2007 7:49:35 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Darwinists need to study more computer science. Data processing and coding (genetic or otherwise) is already aptly understood in *that* branch of science.

Computer "scientists" should study some genetics and evolution before they shoot their mouths off on a subject about which they know little.

Four or five years at the grad level should be sufficient.

123 posted on 12/02/2007 7:53:03 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: freespirited
Antibiotics prompt bacteria to mutate, changing the genetic material.

Directed mutation is anathema to Darwinian's. Get with the program.

124 posted on 12/02/2007 8:08:11 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Coyoteman

Genetics is programming. Genetics is data processing. Genetics is data storage.

Denying the obvious is why geneticists will be the last ones to realize the obvious: genetics is designed.


125 posted on 12/02/2007 8:12:22 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: freespirited

A bit of good news however, evidently Chavez lost the referundum and Venezuelans said NO to totalitarianism.


126 posted on 12/02/2007 8:16:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: freespirited
You are talking about the "evolutionary" revisionist theory that holds that a simple change in the count or positioning of alleles within a chromosome constitutes "evolution" EVEN IF THERE'S NO EFFECT to the function of the organism.

That is, you are equating evolution with change of any kind.

The definition didn't quite start out that way ~ and we've gone over this before, but our good buddy Darwin was concerned with the "Origin of Species", not "variations in DNA".

BTW, we already know that even massive changes in your DNA may not have an effect if the RNA "decides" there are other pathways for constructing the same old lebenteenzillion proteins and enzymes the critter needs to work.

I kind of like the old fashioned definition that looks at the macro-critter and its breeding habits. BTW, I also oppose the use of the word species to describe each little group of Pacific salmon who swim to a specific crick. Or, more recently, the little group of grizzly bears who scratch tree trunks on the sides of specific mountains.

127 posted on 12/03/2007 5:26:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Southack
It bespeaks the inferiority complex of Evolutionists that they must resort to attempts to link scientific Intelligent Design with religious Creationism.

Not hard at all to do.

128 posted on 12/03/2007 5:27:48 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Southack; Coyoteman
...that you feel so insecure as to trace old DI web pages in hopes of something that might vaguely aid your own tired agenda bespeaks of precisely the inferiority complex of which all Darwinists seem to exhibit in public, however.

He's just tracing the evolution of the Intelligent Design movement.

129 posted on 12/03/2007 5:29:36 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Southack
Same gene...no evolution.

I'm beginning to see where you diverge from every other thinker on the subject. It's truly sad that the Dover school board didn't have the foresight to hire you and GGG to defend them. That would have been quite a show.

You might even have gotten to mention code skipping under oath. And GGG could have told them about degeneration.

130 posted on 12/03/2007 6:28:43 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

Contribute or get off the thread.


131 posted on 12/03/2007 6:29:49 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Pointing out that we have someone right on FR who is smarter than all the scientists who have lived for the past 200 years IS contributing. Southhack should be nominated for a Nobel prize in every category.


132 posted on 12/03/2007 6:37:26 AM PST by js1138
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To: muawiyah
OK I got it now. You think it inappropriate for the science of biology to have a definition of evolution that has progressed beyond what Darwin could propose in 1859, while I like the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory that blends his ideas with genetics.

BTW, I also oppose the use of the word species to describe each little group of Pacific salmon who swim to a specific crick.

I'm very impressed!

133 posted on 12/03/2007 6:46:12 AM PST by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Our kids will mock the biologists of today for failing to grasp even the most rudimentary implications of Information Theory.

Such data ignorance has Darwinists claiming that “information just magically appears in the gene.”

Information from magic. That’s Evolutionary Theory.


134 posted on 12/03/2007 6:55:05 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Our kids will mock the biologists of today for failing to grasp even the most rudimentary implications of Information Theory.

Ah, so you are smarter than Hubert Yockey also.

135 posted on 12/03/2007 7:02:36 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

How many posts are you going to make that offer nothing but attacks on me personally?

Are you really so intellectually defeated that you can’t even discuss or differentiate the points that I make from me, personally?!


136 posted on 12/03/2007 7:04:33 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: js1138
"Pointing out that we have someone right on FR who is smarter than all the scientists who have lived for the past 200 years IS contributing. Southhack should be nominated for a Nobel prize in every category." -js1138

Yet again you attack *me* rather than dare deal with the arguments that I make.

Gee, it's all about me!

Sad.

That's like insulting your prof because you can't understand calculus.

137 posted on 12/03/2007 7:09:14 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: js1138
"I'm beginning to see where you diverge from every other thinker on the subject. It's truly sad that the Dover school board didn't have the foresight to hire you and GGG to defend them. That would have been quite a show." - js1138

Ah, yet another "I've got to attack Southack personally because I can't touch his arguments" post.

It would be flattering if it wasn't so pathetically sad for you. It's certainly not a one-time post. You have a pattern of this sort of mis-behavior (as illustrated above)...

138 posted on 12/03/2007 7:13:16 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: js1138
"You realize, of course, that nearly all differences between a wolf and a teacup poodle are covered by your "limited number of forms." Not to mention the difference between you and Einstein, which may be even greater." - js1138

Wait. Let me guess. Once again poor js1138 has to resort to attacking Southack personally rather than dealing with actual substance.

139 posted on 12/03/2007 7:15:03 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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