Ping to the Swedish Ping List.
Posted on 11/28/2007 8:11:53 PM PST by Professional
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQD8VPhvdM&feature=related
Why don't the Swedes start beating the Muslims up? Take back your city Swedes. Do it street by street.
methinks they are committing suicide already - intellectually. And why? Because they have been indoctrinated to believe they are so much 'better' than the terrible, evil, citizens of the United States of America! (Baby killers, who killed six million civilians in Iraq...) the majority in Scandinavia swallow that sh*t.
Their turn will come. I have not an ounce of sympathy for a single one of them.
We had a Swedish FReeper (can't recall the name) who simply denied any muslim problems in his country. Wrote that all the reports were nothing but right-wing propaganda...that was at the time there was a riot in Gottenburg (sp) and public buildings were vandalized.
The Scandanavians need to HURT much much more before they wake up...but they are so terrified of losing the benefits of the welfare state they will play footsy with the Devil until too late!
Here's one as an example:
They were never told to adopt to local customs.They were told to adopt to the law,and they either do or do prisen!If you wish somebody to adopt to customs,make such condition before he come,not after.Now it is also their home and maybe somebody should adopt to their cusdoms,they are Swedish as well!
methinks the Swedes are on a ride to Hell.
Thanks for the ping. I’m actually in Sweden right now. Unfortunately, I was across the street from Rosengard yesterday at the Jewish cemetary burying my grandmother. The only good news is that the usual anti-Jewish grafitti was mostly cleaned up.
Ping to the Swedish Ping List.
The whole world has gone nuts. Must be time for another asteroid impact, huh?
“In this news segment, they mention that 90% of the mussies are unemployed, nor do they try to learn the language.”
- If the Muslims living in Malmö constitute 25% of the city’s population (like the Fox News reporter says they do) and 90% of them are unemployed, how come the unemployment rate of Malmö is only 3,9% ????
( http://www.nfo.nu/b94000f/base/43fc2776 )
I’m not saying Muslims don’t cause problems, but I AM SAYING that the majority of all journalists and news reporters are morons.
“Thanks for the ping. I’m actually in Sweden right now. Unfortunately, I was across the street from Rosengard yesterday at the Jewish cemetary burying my grandmother. The only good news is that the usual anti-Jewish grafitti was mostly cleaned up.”
- What is your general impression of Malmö of today, if I may ask?
Here in Gothenburg/Göteborg, our Jewish cemetary is seldom vandalized as far as I know, but it happens from time to time. Often, Neonazism is involved judging from the grafitti.
I’m not a Jew myself, but naturally I find these crimes loathsome and disturbing.
May your grandmother rest in peace, fellow freeper.
“Because they have been indoctrinated to believe they are so much ‘better’ than the terrible, evil, citizens of the United States of America! (Baby killers, who killed six million civilians in Iraq...) the majority in Scandinavia swallow that sh*t.”
- Evidence please.
“I have not an ounce of sympathy for a single one of them.”
- So the native Scandinavians who strongly oppose non-Western immigration ‘deserve’ the same fate as the islamophiles?
“We had a Swedish FReeper (can’t recall the name) who simply denied any muslim problems in his country. Wrote that all the reports were nothing but right-wing propaganda...that was at the time there was a riot in Gottenburg (sp) and public buildings were vandalized.”
- That was probably me. In fact, there was no riot, just two smashed window and no one knows whether the culprits were Muslims or not. My conclusion is that the real story here is that you can’t trust the media.
Furthermore, I never wrote the whole thing was simply right-wing propaganda and I’ve never denied there is a Muslim problem in Sweden. On the other hand, I have pointed out that the present Muslim attacks on Sweden is nowhere near the situation in Paris and such places elsewhere in Europe and somewhere on this forum I’ve claimed that Gothenburg has even less problems than certain other cities in my country (like Malmö, Landskrona and Stockholm).
Here’s a link to the thread that I initiated:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717255/posts
Was it the one you had in mind?
Thank you?
Perhaps you need another Cronulla?
You are so much more diplomatic than me.
Typical swede. hehe.
“You are so much more diplomatic than me.
Typical swede. hehe.”
- I guess I am.
Always good to hear from you.
Have a great Norwegian weekend!
Professional and Western Culture, when did Sweden's policy on immigration change?
When I was in Sweden 35 years ago, the only "immigrants" there were Finns! (And needless to say, Finns are much more easy to assimilate than Middle Eastern Muslims.)
Not only was immigration to Sweden very difficult in the 1970s, iirc, but there were also obstacles to staying in the country legally to work. Foreigners who wished to work in Sweden had to arrange for a job from outside of the country, then apply for a work permit.
I could be wrong, but I believe we were required to take classes in Swedish if we wanted a work permit, too.
“Have a great Norwegian weekend!”
I will.
The same to you. Remember we killed you great warrior king :-P
Anyhow, I am glad to see that you have also somewhat recognized that the situation in Sweden is untenable. Frankly, I would consider voting for the Swedish Democrats if I lived there. Not that I want them to gain power. I am a classic liberal afterall, but I would hope to see the other parties, particularly the Moderates, change their policies when they see the SD gaining ground. Kinda similar to the situation in Denmark with the the Danish Peoples’s Party.
As for Mr. Nerks...
I love Australia. They have a fighting heart over there. At least up north. In Queensland. I learnt a lot living there.
Will never forget it.
Have a nice weekend,
Vennlig hilsen,
Euro.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Fjordman/Sweden-alliance-with-Communist-Islamists.htm
Sweden’s Collaboration Then with Communist, Now with Islamists
by Fjordman
11 Jun, 2007
A group of Swedes spied for the Stasi, the secret police of the GDR, Communist East Germany. Some of the spies were journalists.
Swedish Security Service Säpo has confirmed that it has identified a number of Swedes who informed for the East German secret police, but has refused to make their names public. A book published in June claims that Säpo has a list of 900 Swedes who had contact with the Stasi. Björn Cederberg, author of the book ‘Kamrat Spion: Om Sverige i Stasi Arkiven’ (Comrade Spy: Sweden in the Stasi Archives), told The Local that that the list came to Sweden from the CIA: “In 1993 a list became available containing the names of around 900 Swedes with some connection to the Stasi. The people at the German archives reckon that only around 50 of these actually worked on behalf of the East Germans.” Sweden has long been known as home to a significant core of East German sympathisers. Former Left Party leader Lars Werner had close ties to GDR diplomats, who paid for the drinks for his fortieth birthday party.
This pattern of collaboration with the enemies of the West and of freedom is, sadly, still alive. The Swedish Social Democratic Party, like many other Labor parties, have decided to cooperate with Muslims and import voters while ignoring the violence caused by these Muslims against the native population.
According to this post from the website of Broderskapsrörelsen (“The Brotherhood”), an organization of Christian members of the Swedish Social Democratic Party, the party has decided to establish a network for people of other faiths (which largely seems to mean Muslims). “This is a historic decision for the Brotherhood,” says leader Peter Weiderud. “I’m incredibly happy that a unanimous congress now lets the door open for Muslims and others to work together with us in the Brotherhood; this is going to enrich us all and help the [Social Democratic] Party to better influence the Swedish society.”
For Abdulkader Habib, active within the Muslim Brotherhood, the decision is a historic step which shows that the dividing lines in society do not go between religions, but within religions. “As a Muslim Social Democrat I have more in common with the Christian Social Democrats than I have with those within the Muslim Right,” says Habib. “Faith and politics is intertwined for many Muslims, which is why the decision to create this network is a key to the crucial work for integration that we need to do, and I believe that the Brotherhood is the right organization to do this within.”
“We shouldn’t disregard the importance of people’s [religious] faith,” says deputy leader Cecilia Dalman-Eek. “When we now get the opportunity to open the doors to people with another faith it is obvious that we should contribute with our experience. At the same time, this is both instructive and inspiring for us Christians within the Brotherhood. This is about an exciting growth of new mass movements and is a part of the new Sweden.”
The Social Democrats are now following the line of reasoning put forward by Jens Orback, former Cabinet Minister for the Social Democrats, who said during a radio debate that: “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.” The Swedish Social Democrats narrowly lost the elections last year, and appear to have decided that the way to regain and maintain power is to import Muslim voters, a strategy followed by several of their sister parties.
Background information on Swedish collaborationism:
Muslim Journalist: ‘Stockholm’s Great Mosque Sympathizes with Muslim Brotherhood’
The Muslim Brotherhood has condemned the 9/11 attacks, but justifies... suicide attacks against Israelis. The organization is also close to the Palestinian movement Hamas – whose ideology is very similar to Nazism, and which is guilty of many brutal terror attacks. For the Muslim Brotherhood, Sweden is in many ways an ideal country, [and it] shares the ideals of the [Swedish] Social Democrats in their view of the welfare society. Leading figures in Muslim congregations are also active within the Social Democratic [Party], and have very good relations with Sweden’s Christian Social Democrats – Broderskapsrörelsen [the Brotherhood Movement]. The Social Democrats have, in turn, and perhaps as thanks for the support they receive from the mosque leadership, shown a tendency to shy away from the fact that there is extremism in some of our mosques. This has given the Muslim Brotherhood the freedom to force its ideology upon [the mosque’s worshippers].
Sweden’s Unholy Alliance
The Social Democratic party has started fishing for votes with the help of radical Muslims clergies. For several years the Christian wing of the Social Democratic party, called The Brotherhood, has been working with the influential Muslim leader Mahmoud Aldebe, president of Sweden’s Muslim Association. In 1999, Aldebe went on radio proposing that Sharia – the Islamic law – be introduced in Sweden. In addition, Aldebe has in a letter to the Swedish minister of Justice in 2003 involved himself in a heated debate regarding an incident of honor-related murder where a Kurdish girl was murdered by her two uncles. Aldebe did not condemn the murderers – rather he forcefully defended the perpetrators. Aldebe sees the entire debate regarding honor-related murders as an attack against the Islamic religion and claims in his letter that a public debate regarding these acts of murder risk to “encourage immigrant girls to revolt against the tradition of the families and their religious values.” The Social Democrat Ola Johansson referred to the book Social Justice in Islam by the Islamic ideologue Sayyid Qutb as proof that the social democratic ideology could find common ground with Islamic ideas.
The New York Times and Sweden: The Dark Side of Paradise
In the spring of 2006, Sweden’s largest Muslim organisation demanded in a letter, signed by its leader Mahmoud Aldebe, that Sweden introduce separate laws for Muslims. The letter was a list running over several pages with aggressive demands for just about everything; separate family laws for Muslims, regulating marriage and divorce, that public schools should employ imams to teach homogeneous classes of Muslims children in their religion and the language of their original homeland, and a “mosque in every municipality to be built through interest-free loans made available by the local municipalities.” This to “demonstrate” Islam’s right to exist in Sweden” and to “heighten the status of and respect towards Muslims.” The demands were rejected then. After the last election in 2002, Sweden’s Muslim Association sent a congratulation letter to the re-elected Social Democratic Prime minister Göran Persson, congratulating him on his victory and hoping that his Party would work for implementing some of the demands of the Association in the future.
Jack Straw calls for 70m Turks to join EU to prove 'West and Islam can live together'
As if things in EUrabia were not bad enough.
Andrew Bolt
Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 10:58am
Some things about this bother me:
A MAN who bashed a life guard that sparked the Cronulla riots was given community service as a punishment today.
Magistrate Jacqueline Trad told Sutherland Local Court today that Ali Osman, 18, had turned his back on his “real country”.
Osman was the first man to be found guilty of the attack which led to a full-scale riot on Cronulla Beach on December 11.
“By this sort of conduct you turned your back on your family, your culture and your real country, all for the sake of some juvenile, impulsive and misplaced allegiance.
Ms Trad sentenced Osman to 300 hours community service on the assault charge and 200 for affray.
He was ordered to serve the sentences concurrently.
Ms Trad, who is of Lebanese origin, told him, “Over the last 100 years or so, the ancestors of many citizens – mine included – came to this country seeking refuge from hatred, intolerance, violence or just simply the opportunity to improve their families prospects.”
Yes, I like what the magistrate told Osman. But doesn’t bashing a lifeguard deserves more than a nice lecture and some community service? And I’d like more information on how a magistrate of Lebanese descent came to be sitting on this highly-charged case involving a young thug of that very same background. It looks a little too cute.
But the case did indirectly add to the evidence that the Cronulla riot was not a spontaneous outbreak of traditional Australian racism, as so many commentators preferred to believe, but was instead an ugly yet understandable reaction to a menacing and occasionally violent race-based beach takeover:
Mr Gillett said one police witness testified that there were 10 to 15 people on the beach wearing the same Wests Tigers football shorts that Osman was said to be wearing, while 150 males had similar ethnicity and comparable hairstyles.
Subject: Multiracialism v Multiculturalism in contemporary Oz
fall out 12/15/2005 11:44:46 PM
IT was inevitable, given the prevailing mind-set within government and the media, that Sydney’s beachside violence this week would be called race riots.
From the Australian:
The New South Wales Premier, his ministers and many newspaper headlines all used the term.
However, a more ungainly but nonetheless more accurate description would have been multicultural riots.
For the doctrine of multiculturalism is really to blame.
The tensions that exploded this week were defined into existence by multiculturalist policies and ideas.
It wasn’t the youths at Cronulla beach who decided that all Lebanese constitute an ethnic group.
That was done for them by politicians, bureaucrats and academics in the name of constructing ethnic communities.
Those youths certainly can be blamed for trying to beat up a few outnumbered innocents but not for responding to people as ethnics in the first place.
In earlier periods, Lebanese immigrants were not defined as an ethnic group.
Lebanon is one of the oldest sources of Australian migration.
People have been coming from that country since the 1880s.
They were never defined as aliens under the old White Australia Policy and their numbers gradually grew from 601 in 1891 to 2670 in 1933.
Until 1975, almost all were Maronites or Christian Lebanese.
They prospered here, married into the local community and, within two generations, became largely indistinguishable from the Australian mainstream.
One of their offspring, Nick Shehadie, a former lord mayor of Sydney and the husband of NSW Governor Marie Bashir, captained the Wallabies in three of 30 Tests for his country.
How Australian can you get?
After 1975, the onset of civil war brought Lebanese Muslims here on grounds of humanitarian resettlement.
At the same time, the policy of multiculturalism was initiated by the Whitlam Government and entrenched under Malcolm Fraser.
Multiculturalism began and, until recently, was regarded by most Australians as a civilised concept to ease immigrants into their new environment.
But it became corrupted by partisan politics. As former Labor Government minister Barry Jones has admitted, immigration became “a tremendously important element” in building up a long-term, non-English-speaking political constituency for his party.
In the 1980s immigration policy switched from national interest to ethnic preference, from demographic and labour market need to family reunion.
In the name of cultural diversity, the bureaucrats in charge used welfare and housing policy to promote ethnic community building.
This concentrated non-English-speaking immigrants in western and southwestern Sydney.
Most affected were the post-1975 Lebanese Muslims. By 2001, 73 per cent of all Lebanese in Australia were living in these Sydney suburbs.
Multicultural policy was always justified by the assumption that the xenophobia of old Australia was the problem.
This presumption still reverberates in the voices of politicians and journalists who have responded to this week’s events as if Australian youths are the real culprits.
Hypocritically, they denounce racial stereotyping of ethnic groups but freely typecast Anglo Australia.
Multiculturalism is also at odds with the core tenets of liberal democracy, where rights inhere in the individual, not the collective, and where people’s representatives are elected politicians, not self-appointed ethnic spokesmen or godfathers.
Multiculturalism is a reversion to tribalism that is anachronistic in a modern, liberal, urban society.
In Sydney it has been plain for at least a decade that, instead of ethnic communities living happily in the diversity of social pluralism, multiculturalism has bred ethnic ghettos characterised by high levels of unemployment, welfare dependency, welfare abuse, crime and violence.
The social engineers responsible should have been well aware of the likely outcome, especially for young men.
All the evidence from the numerous studies of similar ethnic ghettos in North America and Europe show they produce much the same result, whatever the colour or ethnicity of their inhabitants.
Ghetto culture for young men everywhere is characterised by interpersonal violence, sexual irresponsibility, incomplete education, substandard speech, a hypersensitivity about being disrespected and a feckless attitude towards work.
The Lebanese assaults on the Cronulla lifesavers that led to this week’s mass retaliation were nothing new.
This behaviour has been with us for more than a decade.
When the former principal of Punchbowl Boys High, a school dominated by Lebanese Muslim youth, suffered a breakdown and sued the NSW government, he gave an insight to the local culture.
Between 1995 and 1999, students armed with knives had threatened classmates, teachers were assaulted and gangs invaded classrooms.
On one occasion, the principal had a gun held to his head by a Lebanese gang member who threatened to shoot him.
One of his students was convicted of murdering a Korean schoolboy and three other students were jailed for their roles in some of Sydney’s most notorious gang rapes.
In 1997, during a house fire in another Sydney ethnic ghetto at Auburn, known as Little Lebanon, police and firefighters were attacked by youths hurling rocks.
An ambulance had a window shot out, ensuring all future ambulance calls to the locality were accompanied by police escort.
Little Lebanon was a concentration of Muslim families from the same rural district who had come to Australia first as refugees, then as chain immigrants.
At the same time as all of this was going on, however, most Anglo Australians were giving the lie to the stereotype of latent racism.
Outside the ethnic enclaves, instead of racist or ethnocentric attitudes to newcomers, old Australians were working with, marrying and having children with them.
Studies by Monash University’s Bob Birrell of the most revealing test of immigrant integration, the marriage rate, showed that by the end of the ‘90s less than 10 per cent of second-generation marriages of people of European descent were to someone from their parents’ country.
Much the same was true of immigrants from south and east Asia.
Only 6 per cent of Indians married within their ethnic group, as did only 18 per cent of Chinese.
In short, most immigrants, whatever their race, married Australians of other nationalities.
However, for the Lebanese, of whom most of marriageable age were Muslims, these figures were reversed.
No less than 74 per cent of Lebanese brides and 61 per cent of Lebanese grooms married within their own ethnic group.
Moreover, these figures had increased since the early ‘90s, when they were about six percentage points lower.
This pattern may have fulfilled the community-building objective sought by Lebanese political and religious leaders, but it has been a disaster for their constituents’ relationship with the rest of Australia.
Put this week’s beachside violence into its political and social context, and the conclusion is clear.
It is not race that is the problem but culture.
Multiracialism has been a success in contemporary Australia but multiculturalism has been an abject failure
Thier government has caused the death of a nation!
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