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In Hospice Care, Longer Lives Mean Money Lost (Patients Refuse To Die)
NY Times ^ | 27 November 2007 | By KEVIN SACK

Posted on 11/27/2007 6:50:27 AM PST by shrinkermd

Hundreds of hospice providers across the country are facing the catastrophic financial consequence of what would otherwise seem a positive development: their patients are living longer than expected.

Over the last eight years, the refusal of patients to die according to actuarial schedules has led the federal government to demand that hospices exceeding reimbursement limits repay hundreds of millions of dollars to Medicare.

The charges are assessed retrospectively, so in most cases the money has long since been spent on salaries, medicine and supplies. After absorbing huge assessments for several years, often by borrowing at high rates, a number of hospice providers are bracing for a new round that they fear may shut their doors.

One is Hometown Hospice, which has been providing care here since 2003 to some of the most destitute residents of Wilcox County, the poorest place in Alabama.

The locally owned, for-profit agency, which serves about 60 patients, mostly in their homes, had to repay the government $900,000, or 27 percent of its revenues, from its first two years of operation, said Tanya O. Walker-Butts, a co-owner. Its profits were wiped out in the time it took to open the demand letters, Ms. Walker-Butts said.

Hometown paid its first assessment with a bank loan. When the bank declined credit for the second year, the hospice structured a five-year payment plan with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the federal agency that administers the program, at 12.5 percent interest.

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To: carton253
I have noticed that when you return from the other site,

Other site?

161 posted on 11/27/2007 10:09:51 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: MamaB

Praying for you.


162 posted on 11/27/2007 10:16:26 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: karsar
She holds some in very high professional regard while others she wouldn't want caring for a pet.

Nurses are the same way. Many more good than bad, but some of them shouldn't be anywhere near a medical facility.

163 posted on 11/27/2007 10:19:57 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: LilAngel

Now you’ve crossed the line. Accusing me of murder? This is why you extreme wackos are laughed at. Yes, laughed at. You are just pathetic. Your post says so much more about you than you meant to say about me. I hope EVERYBODY reads it.


164 posted on 11/27/2007 10:30:18 PM PST by Hildy (Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark.)
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To: shrinkermd
I’ve thanked God many times for Hospice. What angels these nurses are! I didn’t live in town when Hospice took care of dad before he died, but I had my elderly mom live with me when she was diagnosed with cancer - she only lasted 3 months after we were told. These girls were fabulous and my mom loved them all. They also took time out to talk to me if I needed it.
165 posted on 11/27/2007 10:49:04 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: shrinkermd; wagglebee; traviskicks
The long-term solvency of Medicare, Medicaid, social security, and future government entitlement schemes (like Hillary-care) depend upon you, myself, and everyone else dying on a fiscally agreeable schedule.

Their solvency could potentially also be extended by reducing the need for expensive medical treatments through implementing compulsory government-imposed lifestyle restrictions, and/or vice surcharges (smoking, drinking, eating 'unhealthy' food, spending too much time in the sun, etc). But really, because of the extended average lifespan expected from such policies, and the associated cost increase in programs like social security, government savings would only be guaranteed with an active euthanasia policy. Additional cost benefits could be introduced using genetic and prenatal screening to gauge proscribed parameters determining candidacy for mandatory abortion and involuntary sterilization.

I take a very dark view of the near future in this regard...IMO, most of you reading this will be alive (if ever so shortly) to witness the implementation of systematic "common-good" federal euthanasia and fetal-screening programs, either carried out under UN orders, or via letter carried in the claws of democracy. This underscores one of the most critical reasons why libertarian and social conservatives should seek to be united against expansive government power - power which breeds dependency - where no power should be held, and against lax protections in those few areas where the government has an absolute moral mandate to be one of the last lines of defense for our lives and liberty.

Cradle to grave, make no mistake; without a herculean political effort, it will be so in the purest sense. If deviation from our present road is not introduced, any death (in the womb, during childhood, adulthood, or in old age) not both sanctioned and carried out by some level of government will become an anomaly. Life and liberty are already - today, right now - negotiable, subject to the whims of the masses, subject to the tempests of fleeting emotion.

The end result of democracy will not be pretty. The scariest part? The orders will be drafted and carried out by individuals clear of conscience and sound of mind. For they will think such is to do "good".

166 posted on 11/27/2007 11:00:04 PM PST by M203M4
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To: shrinkermd

ping to myself -

Can’t stay up to read all the posts - but will tomorrow.

Night, all!


167 posted on 11/27/2007 11:10:50 PM PST by yorkie
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To: traviskicks

Isn’t it going to be wonderful when the government gets its Mitts on our health care system?!!


168 posted on 11/27/2007 11:37:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: traviskicks

Strange reaction here. Suddenly we have a “right to healthcare”! Who’d a thunk it!


170 posted on 11/28/2007 3:39:09 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Jim Robinson

Mitts. Hillarys. Whatever.


171 posted on 11/28/2007 3:42:00 AM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: Wolfie

Those of us who pay for it do. But some folks think the ones who paid should be denied basic care, to make room for illegal invaders.


172 posted on 11/28/2007 3:49:23 AM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: shrinkermd

The only real error, as contrasted a differing opinion on this matter that I have noticed, is the assertion that dying of dehydration is a pleasant way to go.

This is not the case. Dying of dehydration is a painful, slow death as your organ systems shut down. It is also not a beautiful way to go since your lips crack and your tongue sometimes enlarges so much it protrudes from the mouth.

It is not a mercy death. It would never be tolerated by SCOTUS or any other court as a means to execute criminals.

Why this is a popular way has less to do with the nature of the means—dehydration—as with the actual human acts in killing someone. That is, rather than an injection or smothering which are active acts, a passive act—withholding fluids seems nicer and easier. Of course, at the bottom of this thinking is clear knowledge of breaking natural law as well as the commandment, “thou shall not murder.” Self-deceit is the backbone of evil.


173 posted on 11/28/2007 5:26:08 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Earthdweller

Would Medicare pay for it either way? They paid for the home hospice care, which was under the auspices of our relgional medical center. Which is not, to the best of my knowledge, a death cult.


174 posted on 11/28/2007 5:54:57 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim.)
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To: LilAngel

“Is that what you call what you did to your own child? Is that what you call what you say you allowed to happen to your own father?

Killing is ugly.”

Your comment seems beyond the pale. Perhaps you should step back and take a deep breath. Or maybe change your screen name, cause you sure don’t sound like an angel here.


175 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:59 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: Mr. Silverback; wagglebee

“Please explain how having a professional come to your home to help take care of a loved one and ease some of their pain is a part of the culture of death. I’m all ears.

Seconded.”

The crickets are chirping.


176 posted on 11/28/2007 6:06:36 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: gracesdad

People shouldn’t ask questions they don’t want answers to.


177 posted on 11/28/2007 6:07:46 AM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: Wolfie
Strange reaction here. Suddenly we have a “right to healthcare”! Who’d a thunk it!

Who here is saying that we have a right to health care?

178 posted on 11/28/2007 7:17:44 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: M203M4

well said, I just hope the pure social conservatives can get on board with us, they tend to be somewhat fickle on economic issues, some even argue for gubermint health ‘for the children’.


179 posted on 11/28/2007 7:51:39 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: M203M4

Very well said! I wholeheartedly agree.


180 posted on 11/28/2007 9:21:11 AM PST by CSM ("Dogs and beer. Proof that God loves us.- Al Gator (8/24/2007))
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