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In Hospice Care, Longer Lives Mean Money Lost (Patients Refuse To Die)
NY Times ^ | 27 November 2007 | By KEVIN SACK

Posted on 11/27/2007 6:50:27 AM PST by shrinkermd

Hundreds of hospice providers across the country are facing the catastrophic financial consequence of what would otherwise seem a positive development: their patients are living longer than expected.

Over the last eight years, the refusal of patients to die according to actuarial schedules has led the federal government to demand that hospices exceeding reimbursement limits repay hundreds of millions of dollars to Medicare.

The charges are assessed retrospectively, so in most cases the money has long since been spent on salaries, medicine and supplies. After absorbing huge assessments for several years, often by borrowing at high rates, a number of hospice providers are bracing for a new round that they fear may shut their doors.

One is Hometown Hospice, which has been providing care here since 2003 to some of the most destitute residents of Wilcox County, the poorest place in Alabama.

The locally owned, for-profit agency, which serves about 60 patients, mostly in their homes, had to repay the government $900,000, or 27 percent of its revenues, from its first two years of operation, said Tanya O. Walker-Butts, a co-owner. Its profits were wiped out in the time it took to open the demand letters, Ms. Walker-Butts said.

Hometown paid its first assessment with a bank loan. When the bank declined credit for the second year, the hospice structured a five-year payment plan with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the federal agency that administers the program, at 12.5 percent interest.

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To: shrinkermd

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101 posted on 11/27/2007 11:34:51 AM PST by cyborg (Long Island Half Marathon finisher!)
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To: trisham

“I would never put anyone I loved in a hospice.”

It sounds as though you had a bad experience. That is unfortunate, as well as, in my experience the exception to the rule.
I have patient’s who die in hospice fairly often: I of course cannot recount their testimony, but almost universally, their families found he experienced to be a godsend when the alternative is considered.


102 posted on 11/27/2007 11:35:17 AM PST by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: Hildy

agree


103 posted on 11/27/2007 11:37:27 AM PST by cyborg (Long Island Half Marathon finisher!)
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To: socialismisinsidious

He was a very hard seller. He came back to me many times with this. Did he have my Mom’s best interest in mind? I don’t know. Like you said, he’s a doctor, and that’s his job..and that’s how he makes money. By the way, this is not what we were in the hospital for. If you take tests of an elderly person, you’re going to come up with many things that may, or may not be fixable. This is my point. Because the government pays, the decisions AND THE OPTIONS are much different. If we want a system where every option is on the table and the cost doesn’t matter, than let’s just do it and get it over with, and we’ll be ok with giving 70% of our taxes to health care. This is the decision we’re going to have to decide as a country. I don’t know the answer but I’m going to keep asking the questions, even if I’m shot down on this site.


104 posted on 11/27/2007 11:42:25 AM PST by Hildy (Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark.)
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To: shrinkermd
these hospices need to get it together and stick to their schedules.

Dehydration and starvation are absolutely euphoric methods of death...and highly dignified too!

...from what I’ve heard

105 posted on 11/27/2007 11:45:52 AM PST by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: cyborg

:) I miss you. Hope all is well.


106 posted on 11/27/2007 11:48:53 AM PST by Hildy (Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark.)
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To: Hildy

I think a lot of them just have a hard time accepting there’s only one way out of here, any form of comprehending that death is inevitable seems to scare them. I’ve seen death in the hospital with the beeping machinery and the crash carts and the harsh lighting, and I’ve seen death in the hospice with the quiet music and the comfortable seating (I know that sounds terribly superficial, but when you’ve done a couple months with a dieing relative you really learn to hate hospital chairs, and it was one of the first things I noticed in the hospice), while neither was what I’d call a pleasant experience if I have to do it again I’m voting for the quiet dignified path it’s a lot less scarring. The next few weeks with the funeral prep and the distribution of belongings are bad enough, might as well arrive there peacefully.


107 posted on 11/27/2007 12:07:53 PM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: discostu

After years of hospitals and machines and all that goes with lung cancer, my brother’s final weeks were in a facility that looked like a warm home, with beds and couches we could sleep on so we could all be with him during his final moments...NO BEEPING MACHINES, no PA systems paging doctors...only flowers and sunlight and love..and enough drugs to make him comfortable as he danced to heaven. For the life of me, I can’t see how people here can say such cruel things about hospice.


108 posted on 11/27/2007 12:16:36 PM PST by Hildy (Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark.)
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To: Hildy

I agree with you totally. BUT, we have already decided to have ‘healthcare’ since we are all paying for those who can’t. This is only for the little people anyway because those who have will certainly never be dying in a hospice they are much toooo good for that. So since the decision has been made and because if I have to pay for those who have no money—I want the most for the longest for myself. Doesn’t that sound just about right and fair? It seems everyone fails to recognize the working person is the one paying the bill and it is the working person that most think should be honorable and die early to save money. WHY SHOULD THEY?


109 posted on 11/27/2007 12:19:56 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: woollyone
Dehydration and starvation are absolutely euphoric methods of death...and highly dignified too! ...from what I’ve heard

Ah, so no troublesome things like first-hand experience or facts to back up this opinion? Just the well of grandstanding and ruckus-raising to garner an emotional opinion? At least you are a little less of a coward to admit it.

My grandmother obtained hospice care for her 75 year old sister when she was dying of breast cancer. The nurses came to their house, provided a hospital bed, helped her use the bathroom, and yes, helped her eat and drink until the cancer took its course. My great-aunt was not starved or dehydrated, but she did get to die in the company of her family instead of in a noisy, impersonal hospital ward.

Not all surgeries available are life-saving or even comfort-making. Some are worth is because of quality of life: my uncle had advanced-stage esophageal cancer at age 49. While most of the tumors were inoperable, doctors did go in to make enough room so he could swallow and eat semi-normally. On the other hand, if you have someone with end-stage Alzheimer's who suddenly develops a heart valve issue, is it worth the risk of anesthesia, infection, and long recovery time for what will likely be a minimal (if at all) improvement in life quality?

We all want to do the right thing by our loved ones. However, our fear of aging and death makes us do things to them that are not about saving a life or prolonging life in a meaningful way. It's not about money: it's about not performing major surgery on someone who will not benefit from it. Relieve pain, don't create it.
110 posted on 11/27/2007 12:20:55 PM PST by slightlyovertaxed
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To: GOPPachyderm

At some point you stop fighting disease and start fighting God. The decision of where that point occurs has to be left to individuals and their families. It is a blessing that there are options for people who have reached that point.


111 posted on 11/27/2007 12:41:54 PM PST by DManA
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To: trisham
Well, let me tell you some families have to be concerned with death. My daughter died in Jan. 2004, my brother died in May, 2006, my husband and bil died in July 2006, my mother died in Jan. 2007 and an aunt died in March 2007. Besides all of these, I have lost 16 cousins since my daughter’s death. Death is with me every moment of every day but God knew what He was doing and I will trust Him that he knows best. It is extremely hard this time of the year. Everyone loved the holidays and it is not the same decorating with only myself in the house unless you count Nikki, my dog. I have been crying a lot lately just thinking of everyone we have lost in such a short time. So, be thankful if you have not had deaths in your family.
112 posted on 11/27/2007 12:58:32 PM PST by MamaB
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To: MamaB

I’m so sorry for your losses.


113 posted on 11/27/2007 1:00:49 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: slightlyovertaxed

whoa!
Steady big guy!

I was stationed at Terri Shiavo’s hospice facility for a number of days protesting that horror of a legal and human tragedy. That Easter week was the best way my friend and i could give to another, by standing up for the voiceless.

My comment comes as a near quote of the murderers of that poor girl.

...so cool down lad!

p.s. sorry to hear of your gm’s sis.


114 posted on 11/27/2007 1:15:49 PM PST by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: MamaB

May His peace and presencebe upon you constantly MamaB


115 posted on 11/27/2007 1:17:30 PM PST by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: wagglebee
My brother, that poster has even more impact if you include the translation of that small line of text at the very bottom. Here's the whole translation, with the last line bolded:

"This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money. Read 'New People', the monthly magazine of the race politics office of the NSDAP [National Socialist German Workers Party]"

In case anybody missed it, the NSDAP is the Nazi Party.

116 posted on 11/27/2007 1:37:32 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: keepitreal
Now will we have a duty to die?

Not yet. They have to get assissted suicide firmly in place first. Then the right can turn into a duty.

117 posted on 11/27/2007 1:38:46 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Chickensoup; Route66

I agree with the both of you 100%. Especially if you are put in a nursing home.


118 posted on 11/27/2007 1:40:34 PM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Hildy

For once we agree.


119 posted on 11/27/2007 1:40:45 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: underbyte
A side note; I always disliked actor “Rat Boy” Richard Gere until I found out he regularly visits the patients there as he lives on the water within view of the facility

Very kind of him.

120 posted on 11/27/2007 1:43:30 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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