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Posted on 11/25/2007 5:29:03 PM PST by cradle of freedom
I would like to know if you are going to vote in the November 2008 election even if your candidate does not win. Will you stay home if you don't like the Republican candidate?
Another thing that I have often wondered about is whether people actually stay home when they are disheartened. News commentators often say that some voters may have decided to stay home because they were not happy with the candidates. I think that is a mistake because even if you do not like the person at the top of the ticket you should at least vote for the other candidates. Have you every actually stayed home and not gone to the polls at all because you were not happy with a candidate?
Yes, it was indeed “some lesson,” but it should have been a lesson to *them.*
I’m going to vote in the election. I won’t vote for Giuliani. But if he is the nominee, I will still vote. Just not for him.
It isn't teaching you a lesson, it is THE LESSON. Conservatives across the whole nation are NOT gonna vote for RINOs, and especially Northeastern RINOS. Get it through your head.
If you think the Christian Right is gonna pull the lever for a pro-abortion candidate, you are sadly misguided. It is idiotic to even ask it of them.
If you believe that all those NASCAR boys are gonna vote for a back east Liberal who loves to grab guns and supports gay rights, You've just plainly lost your mind.
Give it up already. Your insults have absolutely no effect except to prove how ignorant you are of the Conservative mind.
If you want a win, give us all someone to vote FOR.
Sell your soul?
What about sell out the country? Is that okay?
You assert that it is morally superior to not vote for a RINO.
I say it’s morally reprehensible to have the capacity to cancel out a vote for something much worse than RINOism, but do nothing.
Take it to the bank.
Hey EV, does it seem to you that they are hauling out the broken glass a bit earlier this time around?
The Supreme Court will send them packing and her VP pick will ascend. Of course, court cases like this mean that she would be sworn and reign again.
Don't bet on it. I don't think there's anything in the Constitution that says a former first lady can't be President. If she wins, she's President, and God help us all.
Is that all you got?
To claim that Giuliani and Hillary are "one and the same" is ridiculous on its face.
I would feel comfortable - YES, comfortable - with knowing that Giuliani was commander-in-chief of our armed forces. I daresay that many who now serve would respond similarly.
I would NOT trust Hillary in that role. And again I daresay that many who now serve in the military feel that way, as well.
That's one difference. There are others if you care to look.
But apparently, you don't.
- John
(...and yes, I will enthusiastically pull the lever for Rudy and AGAINST Hillary if he happens to be the nominee. And I will do EXACTLY the same for Mr. Thompson, Mr. Hunter, Mr. Tancredo, Mr. Romney, or Mr. Huckabee.)
You are 100% correct. It's outrageous,,,absolutely outrageous that anyone would not vote for Giuliani because of any one particular issue. Because if you take a step back,,,take a deep breath,,,and think about it,,,,,THERE ARE SO DARN MANY OTHER REASONS to strongly oppose him!!!!
If you want a more authoritarian, bullying, more intrusive, more controlling, all-powerful, ‘big government knows best’, 'Big Brother' type of government,,,,,
headed by an east coast liberal who worked in the Bobby Kennedy campaign, voted for George McGovern, who as mayor publicly distanced himself from Ronald Reagan,,,,
who vocally supported and proudly endorsed a far-left, liberal, big-government, socialist, democrat like Mario Cuomo over the Republican candidate for governor (largely because the Republican wanted to cut state income taxes),,,,
who has been a public defender of Bill Clinton on more than one occasion,,,
who first ran for mayor on the LIBERAL PARTY ticket,,,,
and who proudly positioned himself as a gun-grabbing, pro-amnesty, pro-litigation, pro-abortion, gay-rights crusading, condescending, arrogant, and narcissistic LIBERAL, New York ‘pit bull’ lawyer,,,,
who believes in sanctuary cities, global warming, encouraging more illegal aliens to come here by telling them they are not really illegal, and whose idea of fiscal restraint is using our tax money for Federally-funded abortions,,,,
who was SO LIBERAL that he wasn’t even invited to the Republican Convention in ’96--after refusing to endorse (until the last minute) the Republican candidate opposing Clinton, while saying that (paraphrasing here) "he did not want to waste his time",,,,
and a cousin-marrying, Clinton-apologist (and now I can add ‘Obama-apologist’)--whose personal life is an absolute TRAIN WRECK (and whose blatant, public cheating on his wife almost makes Bill Clinton look like a decent family man and loving husband--if that is even possible).
If you want to abandon and sacrifice traditional, core, bedrock, conservative principles and values while destroying the ‘Conservative Identity’ of the Republican Party--a LIBERAL BULLY like Rudy is the RIGHT MAN AT THE RIGHT TIME!!!!
May I kindly ask that you refrain from unnecessary capitalization?
Thank you.
There is never a “need” to write in a known loser’s name.
A Rat or a Republican will win the general election. The winner’s party will then be in power throughout the government bureaucracy.
End of story.
Liberal Republicans like Giuliani are much more dangerous than liberal democrats....
because liberal Republican BLUR THE DISTINCTION between conservatism and liberalism,,,
MAKING LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE!!
P.S. Is that ALL YOU'VE GOT?? Enjoy Hillary.
Why? He was making a point and one that I among many others agree with. Everything he said was true about Rudy the liberal.
Exactly.
What was the effect of Bubba’s presidency on liberalism? Was it made more acceptable or not? Or was it only oral sex that was made more acceptable? Hmm?
You know, when Republicans stay home to try to “teach the party a lesson” by not voting, are being played by the liberal media. I think the liberal media love to play games to dishearten conservatives. Remember the last election when Dan Rather thought he could throw the presidential election by using that fake letter? Doesn’t that show you how they do things? And remember when they called the election in 2000 before half of the country has finished voting? The Democrats are the real masters of voter suppression which they always accuse Republicans of doing. I think the Democrats know how to play the game of keeping Republican voters at home. Please don’t fall for their tricks.
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Please feel free to refute every item in post 429 (sans capitalization...lol)
You see, there's the problem- You suppose a distinction where there is NONE. Anything that isn't Conservative ISN'T Conservative, and that's the end of it.
ALL else is bad, all else is wrong, and will not be supported.
FOLGER: What are your views on all the folks who are clamoring to the early front runners, saying, “We’ve got to back one of these guys. Otherwise, we’re gonna be facing a Clinton administration again.” What do you say to that?
KEYES: Well, the principle of my political life and choice is that evil may triumph, but not with my help.
FOLGER: Hmm.
KEYES: And that means that the whole notion that you vote for the lesser of evils is evil. It’s an evil notion, and anybody who subscribes to it is gonna have a hard time facing the Lord. And I’ll say that to anybody who’s willing to ask. They really think that it’s gonna make any difference to God Almighty, when it comes down to it, that they supported evil because, according to them, it was the only choice.
There’s always another choice, and that choice is always to follow the right path as exemplified by Our Lord and Our Father God. You can always do that. You don’t have to go out and commit murder in order to live, or steal and rob and loot because you don’t have any money. All these excuses people give for their wickedness, because they “had no choice.” We always have the choice, and that choice, especially from the point of view of people of faith, can never be the lesser of evils.
I’d like somebody to point out to me one example in the witness that has been borne to the life of Christ, where He chose the lesser of evils. I cannot find it. I’ve scoured Scripture for it, and it ain’t there.
FOLGER: Good point. Well said, although I do think that there are a lot of people who sit on their hands now, during the primary process, and they want to have a write-in, or a third-party candidate, and I think the time to get involved is right now, because this is the best chance we have of getting a godly leader, is to support somebody who supports our values, supports what the Bible has to say, right now. Would you agree with that?
KEYES: Oh, I certainly agree with that. But one of the things that bothers me at the moment about people is that they have actually taken the media’s definition of our politics and made it their own. And the media presents politics as a bunch of ambitious people tapping themselves for office, and then running out there and saying, “I want it desperately. I want it badly. I’m the one whom you should choose.”
You know, in a system of self-government, the better way is for people to consider who’s actually got what we need right now. And whether that person is running or not running, you go to them and say, “You must stand forward and do your duty.” And that actually, by the way, in both form and sometimes in substance, was the way our politics was conducted through the early part of the twentieth century. As a matter of fact, it was considered bad form for candidates to go out and campaign for themselves. The whole idea was that people at the grassroots would organize, that they’d agree amongst themselves as to who could really represent what they thought was best for the country, and they would promote that person, who would then have to give a yea or nay as to whether or not they were going to accept the support that these people were offering.
Americans have become passive and lazy. They’re acting like they’re going to horse races instead of an election booth, and that they’re trying to pick who the winner’s gonna be. There’s no payoff, except destruction and death, when we choose to back somebody because they’re the frontrunner, even though they stand for everything that will destroy this country.
And, sad to say, on the Republican side, we have people like this. Rudy Giuliani may or may not be an effective administrator, and all these things. He did a good job with certain aspects of things in New York. But the truth of the matter is, if you stand for abortion, if you’re standing for the destruction of the moral foundation and understanding of family, then you’re going to destroy America.
And who can justify voting for somebody who’s going to destroy your country, because they wear a Republican label rather than a Democrat label? It doesn’t matter a bit. The destruction will be the same.
And yet, we’re not being honest with ourselves. I, myself, am not willing to be the pawn or tool of a bunch of elite interests who want to hold onto power that they use for their own ambition, rather than to use my choice, and vote, and purpose, and life to do what is going to redound to the best future for this country, and that can only be produced if our way of life is preserved on its right moral foundations.
I think people would surprise themselves, if they’d stop all this calculating, and simply ponder for a minute what it is that the Lord and Our Father God want us to do, what’s right, and just do it—and let the Lord take care of the consequences.
When we’re encouraged to do all this calculating, it reminds me of Sarah. Faced with childlessness, she wouldn’t rely on God, so she came up with schemes of her own that, as the Bible suggests, turned out badly. And then, it turns out that it is within the power of God to do what He wills.
So, if He wills that this country is gonna survive, and it’s gonna survive on a decent basis, that’s gonna be in His power. It’s for us to accord our will to His, and to do what we can to contribute to the best outcome.
When Christian people and professed people of faith, and all these so-called leaders start to act that way, and stop calculating, and stop trying to bargain for their seat at the table, then I think we’re going to see a result that leaves room for God’s power and miracle.
http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=424
How do you figure “at least we’ll have a Republican party willing to stand for conservative principles”?
What historical evidence, especially of the recent sort, do you have that political parties are influenced by the “take my marbles and go home” contingent?
What evidence do you have that your staying home and watching a Rat get elected will result in a “staunch conservative Party that can filibuster anything Hillary plans”?
Specifics, please.
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