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Who's Fueling Whom? - Why the biofuels movement could run out of gas
Smithsonian ^ | November 2007 | Richard Conniff

Posted on 11/24/2007 7:19:51 PM PST by neverdem

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To: B4Ranch

How about kelp from the ocean?

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Let me consult with my crystal ball.


21 posted on 11/24/2007 8:50:27 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: BuffaloJack
We design and build when it makes economic sense and there is a market for it.

We also do not pour billions of dollars into improving an existing product until it is proven that it will first sell.
22 posted on 11/24/2007 8:50:56 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: org.whodat
Should stick to writing about animals and etc, because he doesn't know jack about this subject.

Which implys that you know much more. This seems like a fairly well reasoned and reasearced piece. Anybody able to reason can see numerous problems with the current rush to burn food.

Your assertion would have more credibility if you gave at least one example of his apparent lack of knowledge on the subject. While your at it, can you tell us your personal interest, if any, in bio-fuels?

23 posted on 11/24/2007 8:52:22 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Hunterite
A market doesn’t exist because it is expensive.

I remember when launching something into space was a really big and expensive deal. Now it is relatively cheap. Why? There was a market for 'stuff in space' so engineers and scientists found out how to do it cheaply.
24 posted on 11/24/2007 8:53:14 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: neverdem
Remove the tax money and have people pay for biofuels at full cost.

We will talk about this topic, after that most important event happens....

25 posted on 11/24/2007 8:56:02 PM PST by Hunble
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To: neverdem

Little backyard operations with WVO and a bio-diesel “still” are worthy for the individual as the fuel is pretty much ....near free short a few more minutes of ones day to tend too the operation.

I have a frybrid.com system in my older diesel truck. I have a 100 gallon bed tank that has heaters in it that lets me use straight WVO I get from a local Mom & Pop Burger Joint. A series of pre filters I use get tossed in the dishwasher after a tank full or two and I drag em out before the heat /dry cycle melts em.......reinstall clean and fresh !

The 100 gallon bed tank negates the time spent filling the tank and I keep the OEM tank for regular diesel that I start and flush the WVO from the lines with before parking overnight or in cold temps.

I don;t make my own Bio-diesel with the little after market stills .....I just use the frybrid.com system .

The ethanol empires will never fly........it’s crap as is the idea !

........just my opinion of course.


26 posted on 11/24/2007 9:03:24 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Sounds cool!


27 posted on 11/24/2007 9:24:38 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Minn

He just stitched together a bunch of prefabricated arguments.


28 posted on 11/24/2007 9:26:27 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Squantos
The ethanol empires will never fly........it’s crap as is the idea !

True, the author doesn't seem to be able to understand the difference between a true biofuel such as seed oil and making moonshine.

29 posted on 11/24/2007 9:29:26 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Hunble

We can talk about this topic after the next 9/11.


30 posted on 11/24/2007 9:34:30 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
We can talk about this topic after the next 9/11.

The next 9/11 event will be directed against the same people who have been against this war, and supported the enemy.

Next time, I will no longer give a damn!

31 posted on 11/24/2007 9:40:51 PM PST by Hunble
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To: P-40

I must have missed it. Just and how did getting a pound to orbit get cheaper?

Ex NASA engineer


32 posted on 11/24/2007 9:40:54 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson

Are you trying to say that the cost of launching say, the first weather satellite, costs the same today as it did in 1974?


33 posted on 11/24/2007 9:42:43 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: neverdem

Free after recoup of initial costs is always cool.....;O)


34 posted on 11/24/2007 9:44:23 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: ckilmer
Yep. I have no problem with them making biofuels from food that has passed through the alimentary canals of people, and other animals.

I do have a problem with them skipping that important step, driving up the cost of food across the board....

35 posted on 11/24/2007 9:47:27 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: neverdem

I forgot too add that local & state bean counters are trying to make regular diesel with a blue dye and ag / farm diesel with a red dye. To operate an POV without either or will get one a fine if they get their way in the next state legislature lynching of the innovator’s.

Seems if state doesn’t get their dime....it’s my crime if they get their way......


36 posted on 11/24/2007 9:51:20 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

What kind of mileage numbers do you get burning WVO?


37 posted on 11/24/2007 9:59:33 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: B4Ranch

The old 94 cummins 12 valve gets right at 17mpg . 2WD Clean little Dodge I use in warmer weather to go too and from work.....3 season ride. Winter is the 92 FJ80 , the 88 4x4 Toyota Pickup or the New Dodge 2500 4x4 that are all still original. I am looking for a wrecked newer dodge to salvage the 24v 5.9L cummins engine & drive train etc to make a project vehicle out of the underpowered FJ80. Seen a few folks do such recently and it’s something I want to do. Cummins Diesel in a FJ80 Toyota !


38 posted on 11/24/2007 10:08:51 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: neverdem

Tell Conniff the magic code word is INSULATION...


39 posted on 11/24/2007 10:13:43 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Squantos

Hey Squantos,

Does that system of yours give off any odors?


40 posted on 11/24/2007 10:24:09 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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