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Who's Fueling Whom? - Why the biofuels movement could run out of gas
Smithsonian ^ | November 2007 | Richard Conniff

Posted on 11/24/2007 7:19:51 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 11/24/2007 7:19:54 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Harness flatulence.


2 posted on 11/24/2007 7:23:42 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: neverdem

as long as they’re talking about switchgrass, algae, sewage, sawdust or grassclippings—biofuels is ok. Soybeans and corn are not so nice.


3 posted on 11/24/2007 7:27:46 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: neverdem
This makes biofuels seem like a good way to start bringing the carbon ledger back into balance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

The law of entropy suggests that its not a matter of balance of the carbon ledger. There is no carbon ledger.

The amoount of carbon in the environment is always the same, it just takes on different forms.During the cretaceous period, Carbon Dioxide made up more tha 20% of the atmosphere, but life thrived even more than today.

Global warming is driven by the sun. Anyone who does not use that for aa departure point, is basically not a scientist, but a politician.

Biomass is a myth, simply because it cannot be accurately measured or quantified.

4 posted on 11/24/2007 7:32:12 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: neverdem

Interesting article except for the fact that th author seems to have bought into the global warming bull shit, hook, line and sinker.


5 posted on 11/24/2007 7:36:01 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: neverdem
Richard Conniff

Should stick to writing about animals and etc, because he doesn't know jack about this subject.

6 posted on 11/24/2007 7:41:31 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: neverdem

exporting corn at 3.80 when wholesale
gasoline is 2.30, is insane.

if the US does not convert the corn into alcohol,
some other country will.


7 posted on 11/24/2007 7:44:23 PM PST by riored
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To: kinoxi
To prove it, his suppliers had concocted a dollop of the fuel for Earthrace from human fat

oh, this is rich. I was going to post something about a "slippery slope..."

8 posted on 11/24/2007 7:46:08 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: neverdem

“One other problem with the rush to “greener” fuels is that, despite the biodiversity happy talk, wildlife is already prominent among biofuel victims. Last year, for instance, farmers were protecting about 36 million acres through the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Conservation Reserve Program (CRP), which works to restore degraded lands, reduce soil erosion and maintain wildlife habitat. CRP land is what biofuel proponents often have their eyes on when they talk about producing biofuels and biodiversity by growing switchgrass. But farmers look at the bottom line, sizing up the $21 per acre they net with the CRP payment (to take a representative example from southwest Minnesota) against the $174 they can now earn growing corn. And they have begun pulling land out of CRP and putting it back into production.”
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Get ready for the next Dust Bowl.


9 posted on 11/24/2007 8:05:27 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Graybeard58

“Interesting article except for the fact that th author seems to have bought into the global warming bull shit, hook, line and sinker.”

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Not to mention the gratuitous stab at NASCAR fans.


10 posted on 11/24/2007 8:06:42 PM PST by sinanju
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To: org.whodat

He apparently has bought every argument against biofuels hook, line, and sinker. And yes Richard, we can even produce energy by concentrating the sun’s rays. Large fields that do this have existed for decades but have now experience rapid growth.

My bet is with the engineers and scientists who will find a way to make a better product once a market for it exists.


11 posted on 11/24/2007 8:09:01 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: neverdem

Wonder what the social and economic cosequences would be if they found out marijuana plants made biofuel?


12 posted on 11/24/2007 8:16:44 PM PST by umgud (the profound is only so to those that it is)
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Biofuel subsidies might make sense, other critics say, if they favored “cellulosic” ethanol instead—fuel that comes from breaking down the cellulose in the fibrous parts of the plant, such as the corn stalk instead of the kernel. That wouldn’t put direct pressure on food prices, and might even reduce them by providing a market for agricultural waste products. Cellulosic technology is also the key to exploiting such nonfood plants as switchgrass,...........

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Uhhh. *knock knock* Capitalist noobs.

Growing switchgrass uses land just like growing corn. Switching from corn to switchgrass will have exactly the same effect on the price of food.


13 posted on 11/24/2007 8:19:49 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: neverdem

14 posted on 11/24/2007 8:24:55 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: neverdem
his suppliers had concocted a dollop of the fuel for Earthrace from human fat, including some liposuctioned from the intrepid skipper's own backside.

YIKES!

Don't even begin to TRY and figure out how much energy it takes to produce a pound of that stuff.

I'll bet it makes corn to ethanol seem like a perpetual energy source.

15 posted on 11/24/2007 8:29:04 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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> My bet is with the engineers and scientists who will find a way to make a better product once a market for it exists.

We do not design and build something because we can. That is the surest way to lose money there is. We design and build when it makes economic sense and there is a market for it.


16 posted on 11/24/2007 8:30:26 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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Wonder what the social and economic cosequences would be if they found out marijuana plants made biofuel?

Never going to happen, the most efficient plant for making biodiesel is rape seed, what is called canola oil. All you need to do is squeeze it to remove the oil, and you have a produce that can be used as animal feed left over.

17 posted on 11/24/2007 8:39:33 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Graybeard58

Interesting article except for the fact that th author seems to have bought into the global warming bull shit, hook, line and sinker.

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Yup. There is no global warming.


18 posted on 11/24/2007 8:41:52 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: P-40

My bet is with the engineers and scientists who will find a way to make a better product once a market for it exists.

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A market doesn’t exist because it is expensive. “engineers and scientists” can’t wave a magic wand and make it all better for us uneducated country folk. And neither will throwing money at “engineers and scientists” give the magic wand for to wave and make it all better for us uneducated country folk.


19 posted on 11/24/2007 8:44:00 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite

How about kelp from the ocean?


20 posted on 11/24/2007 8:47:12 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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