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Interest in Outdoor Wood Boilers Grows (Nanny State Wants More Control)
Yahoooooo! ^ | November 22, 2007 | Stephanie Reitz

Posted on 11/23/2007 6:18:58 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

Rob and Lynne Wallace jumped at the chance to install an outdoor wood boiler two years ago to heat their home and water supply.

For a year, they were immune to fluctuating fuel oil prices. Their family-owned tree service provided more than enough wood, stacked under a canopy near the furnace about 50 paces from their back patio.

But earlier this year, their small western Massachusetts town set limits on the outdoor boilers that forced the Wallaces to shut theirs down.

Concerned about air quality and neighborhood disputes, Hampden joined a growing number of communities nationwide setting their own rules on the increasingly popular wood boilers, which are not federally regulated. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency recommends emissions and air quality standards, but does not regulate where and when the wood-fired burners can be installed or used.

Rules are patchy on the state level, too.

Some states, including Connecticut and Maine, have regulations and let their municipalities adopt even stricter limits or ban the boilers altogether. Massachusetts has considered statewide rules but has not enacted them, while Michigan offers a model ordinance that local governments can adopt in the absence of statewide standards.

The Northeast States for Coordinated Air Use Management, a government coalition, estimates more than 155,000 wood boilers have been sold since 1990 in the Northeast, upper Midwest states and other areas prone to cold winters.

For those with easy access to wood, the boilers could make their homes among the few that are not vulnerable to swings in fuel oil and natural gas prices.

A recent Energy Department report says the cost of natural gas, used by 58 percent of American households, could rise 10 percent this winter. Heating oil, used by 7 percent of the country's homes, could jump 22 percent. Those who use electricity and propane will also see increases, with the prices of those sources estimated to rise 4 percent and 16 percent, respectively, this winter.

The Wallaces and others say wood boilers are an economical heat source that uses a renewable resource rather than dwindling foreign fuels.

"We're not hillbillies or trashy people. We're educated people who did our homework before we made our purchase, and we made it a point to operate it very conscientiously," said Lynne Wallace, whose unit would comply with the new town rules only if they spend thousands to move it elsewhere on their land.

The boilers resemble small sheds and burn wood to heat water, which is piped underground to the nearby home or other structure to provide heat and hot water. Some owners also use them for hot tubs, greenhouses and businesses such as dairy barns.

Depending on their size, their purchase price can range from about $5,000 to $15,000. That does not include pouring the foundation on which they sit, installing underground piping, extending the unit's smoke stack to exceed the height of any nearby roof, and other costs.

Their proliferation has prompted disputes over where they can be operated, the amount and smell of smoke emitted and other neighborhood issues. Many of those conflicts are being played out in town meetings and the offices of selectmen, mayors and health boards.

"You don't realize what you're dealing with until you get this haze all around your house and your back yard," said Chris Anderson, who bought his home in East Longmeadow, Mass., last year before learning that his neighbor had one of the boilers.

That 13-square-mile town, surrounded on all sides by communities with limits on the units, is considering its own rules. Emotions have been running high, however, about whether the limits should include existing units — as in neighboring Hampden — or apply only to newly installed boilers.

"My wife and I saved up for our dream house and this is the biggest investment of my life, and we can't enjoy it," Anderson said. "I'm not saying they should be banned everywhere, if they're put up in a good place away from other houses, but why should we be smoked out?"

Advocates of the boilers say irresponsible users — those who burn trash, chemically treated wood and other unacceptable substances — are ruining it for others who stick to the clean, seasoned wood recommended by manufacturers.

"We beg our customers to extend their chimneys higher up so the smoke disperses where their neighbors aren't affected, and we beg our customers to burn only the right wood," said Scott Bradley, owner of Mainline Heating & Supply of Ashford, Conn.

"We tell them you have the right to use a wood burner and stop using foreign oil, but you never have the right to smoke out your neighbor," he said.

In an attempt to avert such problems, Connecticut requires the boilers to be at least 200 feet from the nearest home not served by the unit, and also mandates chimney heights and the quality of the wood to be burned.

But those rules apply only to burners installed after July 2005, and towns can set stricter regulations or refuse to "grandfather in" older units if they wish. Some communities have banned the outdoor boilers altogether, including several in western Massachusetts and the eastern Connecticut towns of Hebron and Tolland.

Robert Girard, assistant director of the Connecticut Department of Environmental Protection's air enforcement division, said the department urges potential buyers to research whether their site is suitable before they make the purchase.

"Sometimes they're just not put in the right place because of the topography, the closeness of neighbors, things like that," he said. "There have been a number of cases where people have had to remove the units after they've spent a lot of money to put them in."

The Wallace family, which has returned to oil heat for their Hampden home, is still pondering what to do about the wood-fired boiler that sits cold and empty outside their house.

"It would have paid for itself in a few years," Lynne Wallace said, peering into the unit's firebox on a chilly recent morning. "And here it sits, off."


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To: Eric in the Ozarks

My neighbor’s boiler looks like that when it opens up. You can hardly see his house. The good thing is that he doesn’t have any other houses close by. The heavy smoke doesn’t seem to last very long before it shuts itself down some and looks more like a regular chimney, just closer to the ground.


61 posted on 11/23/2007 8:04:38 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

>”We’re not hillbillies or trashy people.”<

“Apparently, it is still quite alright to stereotype and malign hillbillies and trashy people, without raising so much as an eyebrow from the reporter or anyone else.”


It leaped out at me too. If you haven’t read it before here is a fine book on the subject.

http://www.amazon.com/Redneck-Manifesto-Hillbillies-Americas-Scapegoats/dp/0684838648


62 posted on 11/23/2007 8:12:39 AM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: PjhCPA
Tampa? Chilly nights? Don’t make me laugh. It was 13 degrees when I got up this morning...how about you?

63 this morning, but we get quite a few nights a year in the 30's and 40's. We do have a heatpump for heat but I still love using the fireplace (the odds of me getting lucky seem to be much higher when there's a fire going).
63 posted on 11/23/2007 8:16:53 AM PST by WackySam
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To: Racer1
Here in the country we have wood smoke, farms and the smells associated with them, dust and pollen, thats just the way it is. I wonder about people that move out into the country and the first thing they do is start complaining. One more thing, funny how a party against over regulation wants to regulate all the time.

Too true. You should smell it when the liquid manure trucks start spreading their bounty on the fields across the road from us. But heck, it only lasts for a day or so.

We have a woodstove to help heat our house. I put it in a couple of years ago when the price of heating oil shot up. It save me a couple of thousand a year, and it saves oil.

I don't burn any painted wood. But I do find myself cutting up some of the stuff that would have gone on the brush pile to use for kindling. So it's heating our house instead of wasted on the brush pile. And if we didn't burn brush, we'd have dead wood all over the place and a fire hazard, like those idiot self-annointed environmentalists have produced in California.

64 posted on 11/23/2007 8:24:45 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I’m sick of government being in every aspect of our lives, every thought, every word, every orifice.


65 posted on 11/23/2007 8:30:25 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: sionnsar

I use unprocessed plain ground peanut butter.


66 posted on 11/23/2007 8:35:42 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: ArmedConservative

Everyone’s on 5 or 10 acre plots out where we are. So the concentration of smoke from wood and pellet burning stoves is pretty low. We use a Lopi Answer stove to heat our main room when it gets really cold and dank. What with stove’s efficiency and the seasoned tamarack and fir that we burn, there’s very little smoke.

People who burn pressure treated wood and garbage in their stoves are just plain stupid.


67 posted on 11/23/2007 8:42:00 AM PST by Noumenon ("A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Reagan)
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To: Noumenon
People who burn pressure treated wood and garbage in their stoves are just plain stupid.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

68 posted on 11/23/2007 8:48:47 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz
Some of this wood contains creosote, which is distilled from coal tar. The tar is the collected fumes of met coal that is coked down to a nearly pure form of carbon and used in making steel.
Creosote is an extremely poisonous product and is closely regulated by the EPA and only four companies in the US manage the sale of the stuff.
69 posted on 11/23/2007 8:54:09 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Tax-chick
I use unprocessed plain ground peanut butter.

I know we did for some time.

70 posted on 11/23/2007 8:59:16 AM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Gorzaloon
Creosote chimney fire.

I'm always offering my buddy my large stack of railroad ties to burn in his wood stove, but he never comes over to get them. I don't know why.

71 posted on 11/23/2007 9:00:46 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Wood smoke is OK when you live out in the country with the nearest neighbor a quarter-mile away, but when you live in a subdivision and burn wood twenty-four hours a day, you are forcing your neighbors to breathe that crap so you can save a few bucks.

If we all go back to wood stoves, we'll all go back to the days when everything was covered with soot and people got black lung disease just sitting in their houses.

72 posted on 11/23/2007 9:43:50 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I’ll take your advice on pressure treated wood.

Well, pressure treated wood contains a lot of arsenic as it's designed to resist bugs and decay organisms. Woodsmoke laced with arsenic is no joke.

That's one reason they highly recommend sealing your deck if you have one made from pressure treated wood. Keeps arsenic off your feet.

73 posted on 11/23/2007 9:52:50 AM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: grasshopper2

+, what about the chilruns???


74 posted on 11/23/2007 10:13:38 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Hardastarboard
I'm always offering my buddy my large stack of railroad ties to burn in his wood stove, but he never comes over to get them. I don't know why.

One neighbor worked for the Phone company all his life. He had a windfall of old poles. The good part is that they were easy to split.

The bad part is everyone got sick of having fire trucks there all the time.

This left him with a dilemma. If one cannot burn them, how do they get rid of them?

Some of them are still there, twenty years later.

75 posted on 11/23/2007 10:43:44 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Our Lopi wood stove is lit and running right now. . . . The free standing outdoor burners are a different animal; lots and lots of smoke, like it was fan-driven.

It's two different technologies. The Lopi has either a catalytic secondary burner or an oxygen injection secondary burner. Either approach burns up the smoke. The result, your Lopi extracts about 75% to 80% of the total energy in the wood as heat. The closed wood burners are very clean and very efficient.

I've never seen an outdoor burner with a secondary burner in it. So it is a lot less efficient and sends a lot of smoke out the chimney that could have been burned for heat.

Given all that, I'm still reluctant to regulate their existence. I hate being beholden to utility companies and government regulators and markets for something as fundamental as not freezing.

OTOH, anyone who burns treated lumber or plastic is crazy and dangerous to themselves and others and needs to be shut down yesterday.

77 posted on 11/23/2007 10:54:00 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Gorzaloon
This left him with a dilemma. If one cannot burn them, how do they get rid of them?

I use them for blocking out garden plots.

78 posted on 11/23/2007 11:10:09 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Judging by some of the posts on this subject on this theoretically conservative forum, it sounds like a lot more of us need to freeze to death in the dark.

Sheesh!

79 posted on 11/23/2007 6:47:27 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"We're not hillbillies or trashy people. We're educated people who did our homework before we made our purchase, and we made it a point to operate it very conscientiously,"

This just P!$$&$ me off so bad! Where do these people get their ideas about southern people?! &*$#! My daughter and SIL have one of these wood boilers. They live in a beautiful 2500 square foot home on top of a beautiful secluded mountain in east Tennessee so I guess they are hillbillies but far from trashy and uneducated. He has a degree in horticulture and has his own business. She has her own business and also works at a home for the mentally ill. Their only daughter, 16, is a straight A student, has her own car and works to pay her own insurance and buys her own clothes, etc. Excuse the rant. I feel better now.

80 posted on 11/24/2007 4:30:08 AM PST by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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