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Interest in Outdoor Wood Boilers Grows (Nanny State Wants More Control)
Yahoooooo! ^ | November 22, 2007 | Stephanie Reitz

Posted on 11/23/2007 6:18:58 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Eric in the Ozarks

My neighbor’s boiler looks like that when it opens up. You can hardly see his house. The good thing is that he doesn’t have any other houses close by. The heavy smoke doesn’t seem to last very long before it shuts itself down some and looks more like a regular chimney, just closer to the ground.


61 posted on 11/23/2007 8:04:38 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

>”We’re not hillbillies or trashy people.”<

“Apparently, it is still quite alright to stereotype and malign hillbillies and trashy people, without raising so much as an eyebrow from the reporter or anyone else.”


It leaped out at me too. If you haven’t read it before here is a fine book on the subject.

http://www.amazon.com/Redneck-Manifesto-Hillbillies-Americas-Scapegoats/dp/0684838648


62 posted on 11/23/2007 8:12:39 AM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: PjhCPA
Tampa? Chilly nights? Don’t make me laugh. It was 13 degrees when I got up this morning...how about you?

63 this morning, but we get quite a few nights a year in the 30's and 40's. We do have a heatpump for heat but I still love using the fireplace (the odds of me getting lucky seem to be much higher when there's a fire going).
63 posted on 11/23/2007 8:16:53 AM PST by WackySam
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To: Racer1
Here in the country we have wood smoke, farms and the smells associated with them, dust and pollen, thats just the way it is. I wonder about people that move out into the country and the first thing they do is start complaining. One more thing, funny how a party against over regulation wants to regulate all the time.

Too true. You should smell it when the liquid manure trucks start spreading their bounty on the fields across the road from us. But heck, it only lasts for a day or so.

We have a woodstove to help heat our house. I put it in a couple of years ago when the price of heating oil shot up. It save me a couple of thousand a year, and it saves oil.

I don't burn any painted wood. But I do find myself cutting up some of the stuff that would have gone on the brush pile to use for kindling. So it's heating our house instead of wasted on the brush pile. And if we didn't burn brush, we'd have dead wood all over the place and a fire hazard, like those idiot self-annointed environmentalists have produced in California.

64 posted on 11/23/2007 8:24:45 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I’m sick of government being in every aspect of our lives, every thought, every word, every orifice.


65 posted on 11/23/2007 8:30:25 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: sionnsar

I use unprocessed plain ground peanut butter.


66 posted on 11/23/2007 8:35:42 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: ArmedConservative

Everyone’s on 5 or 10 acre plots out where we are. So the concentration of smoke from wood and pellet burning stoves is pretty low. We use a Lopi Answer stove to heat our main room when it gets really cold and dank. What with stove’s efficiency and the seasoned tamarack and fir that we burn, there’s very little smoke.

People who burn pressure treated wood and garbage in their stoves are just plain stupid.


67 posted on 11/23/2007 8:42:00 AM PST by Noumenon ("A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Reagan)
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To: Noumenon
People who burn pressure treated wood and garbage in their stoves are just plain stupid.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

68 posted on 11/23/2007 8:48:47 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz
Some of this wood contains creosote, which is distilled from coal tar. The tar is the collected fumes of met coal that is coked down to a nearly pure form of carbon and used in making steel.
Creosote is an extremely poisonous product and is closely regulated by the EPA and only four companies in the US manage the sale of the stuff.
69 posted on 11/23/2007 8:54:09 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Tax-chick
I use unprocessed plain ground peanut butter.

I know we did for some time.

70 posted on 11/23/2007 8:59:16 AM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Gorzaloon
Creosote chimney fire.

I'm always offering my buddy my large stack of railroad ties to burn in his wood stove, but he never comes over to get them. I don't know why.

71 posted on 11/23/2007 9:00:46 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Wood smoke is OK when you live out in the country with the nearest neighbor a quarter-mile away, but when you live in a subdivision and burn wood twenty-four hours a day, you are forcing your neighbors to breathe that crap so you can save a few bucks.

If we all go back to wood stoves, we'll all go back to the days when everything was covered with soot and people got black lung disease just sitting in their houses.

72 posted on 11/23/2007 9:43:50 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I’ll take your advice on pressure treated wood.

Well, pressure treated wood contains a lot of arsenic as it's designed to resist bugs and decay organisms. Woodsmoke laced with arsenic is no joke.

That's one reason they highly recommend sealing your deck if you have one made from pressure treated wood. Keeps arsenic off your feet.

73 posted on 11/23/2007 9:52:50 AM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: grasshopper2

+, what about the chilruns???


74 posted on 11/23/2007 10:13:38 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Hardastarboard
I'm always offering my buddy my large stack of railroad ties to burn in his wood stove, but he never comes over to get them. I don't know why.

One neighbor worked for the Phone company all his life. He had a windfall of old poles. The good part is that they were easy to split.

The bad part is everyone got sick of having fire trucks there all the time.

This left him with a dilemma. If one cannot burn them, how do they get rid of them?

Some of them are still there, twenty years later.

75 posted on 11/23/2007 10:43:44 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Our Lopi wood stove is lit and running right now. . . . The free standing outdoor burners are a different animal; lots and lots of smoke, like it was fan-driven.

It's two different technologies. The Lopi has either a catalytic secondary burner or an oxygen injection secondary burner. Either approach burns up the smoke. The result, your Lopi extracts about 75% to 80% of the total energy in the wood as heat. The closed wood burners are very clean and very efficient.

I've never seen an outdoor burner with a secondary burner in it. So it is a lot less efficient and sends a lot of smoke out the chimney that could have been burned for heat.

Given all that, I'm still reluctant to regulate their existence. I hate being beholden to utility companies and government regulators and markets for something as fundamental as not freezing.

OTOH, anyone who burns treated lumber or plastic is crazy and dangerous to themselves and others and needs to be shut down yesterday.

77 posted on 11/23/2007 10:54:00 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Gorzaloon
This left him with a dilemma. If one cannot burn them, how do they get rid of them?

I use them for blocking out garden plots.

78 posted on 11/23/2007 11:10:09 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Judging by some of the posts on this subject on this theoretically conservative forum, it sounds like a lot more of us need to freeze to death in the dark.

Sheesh!

79 posted on 11/23/2007 6:47:27 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"We're not hillbillies or trashy people. We're educated people who did our homework before we made our purchase, and we made it a point to operate it very conscientiously,"

This just P!$$&$ me off so bad! Where do these people get their ideas about southern people?! &*$#! My daughter and SIL have one of these wood boilers. They live in a beautiful 2500 square foot home on top of a beautiful secluded mountain in east Tennessee so I guess they are hillbillies but far from trashy and uneducated. He has a degree in horticulture and has his own business. She has her own business and also works at a home for the mentally ill. Their only daughter, 16, is a straight A student, has her own car and works to pay her own insurance and buys her own clothes, etc. Excuse the rant. I feel better now.

80 posted on 11/24/2007 4:30:08 AM PST by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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