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With Iraq Improving, Will Neocon Ideas Return?
Townhall.com ^ | November 22, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/22/2007 4:33:05 AM PST by Kaslin

More than seven months ago, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., claimed that Iraq was “lost.”

But that was hardly the case. In fact, Sunni insurgents were just beginning to turn on al-Qaida and join us.

So now, despite their noisy anti-war base, most leading Democrats quietly are backing away from their talk about bringing American troops in Iraq home on rigid timetables.

Maybe they are learning that quitting Iraq now might be stupid politics since bad news — in fact, all news — from the front is making fewer and fewer headlines.

Democrats know that Republicans will use clips of more “General Betray Us” ads and defeatist assertions next summer when the election campaign heats up and there may be even more progress in Iraq.

Sober Democrats also suspect that their anti-war rhetoric is proving useful in other ways to the Bush administration. Their attacks on the elected al-Maliki government in Iraq often make them look like illiberal “bad cops” eager to pull the plug on the error-plagued but nevertheless constitutional government in Iraq just when it seems to be improving.

True, electric production still cannot provide Iraqis 24-hour service — but now the problem is partly because Iraqi consumption has soared above prewar levels. And oil production, while not quite yet at pre-invasion levels, is climbing — now nearly 2.5 million barrels a day, according to Iraq’s oil minister. Plus, Iraq is benefiting from today’s near-$100 per barrel oil prices.

More importantly, civilian casualties are down in Baghdad by 75 percent from June, according to the U.S. military. And Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki recently announced that terrorist attacks in Iraq have decreased by nearly 80 percent from last year.

In other words, for a variety of unforeseen reasons, the furor and partisan bad blood over Iraq are lessening here in the States. The debate over Iraq seems to be changing from “we can’t win” to whether victory is worth the aggregate costs.

Expect this new battle to be more retrospective, as each side tries to inflate or deflate how much blood and treasure have been spent on the Iraq War — and whether the cost has led to greater American security both in and beyond Iraq.

As fear of defeat in Iraq recedes from the political landscape, look to a growing consensus elsewhere. “Neocon” — the term often used to describe “new” conservatives who today support fostering democracy in the Middle East — may still be a dirty word.

But if you take the anger about George Bush out of the equation, along with the Iraq war and the fear of any more invasions by the U.S., why not support democratic reform in the Middle East? We know the alternatives only play into the hands of terrorists.

That’s why presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., recently said that America needed to support democracy and pressure Gen. Pervez Musharraf to restore elections in Pakistan.

Few Democrats or Republicans would disagree with his idealistic rhetoric. Although Obama wouldn’t express the same support for the struggling Iraqi democracy, he sort of sounded like a softer neocon — more worried about the lack of freedom in Pakistan than the fact we might undermine a strongman with nukes and a restive population.

Take also Iran. Both parties worry about an Iran with a nuclear bomb; neither one has sure ideas how to stop it. The Republicans seem to want to talk tough without bombing the mullahs; the Democrats prefer just to talk with them.

Either way, they agree we don’t have much leverage to stop the theocracy other than stabilizing nearby democratic Iraq, encouraging dissidents, imposing sanctions and surrounding Iran with a bloc of worried Arab states.

A year from now, neither George Bush nor a quieter Iraq will inflame Democrats. And without these familiar bogeymen, they will to have to state what they are for, rather than what they are against.

If Democrats keep Congress and win the presidency, they probably won’t do things much differently in Afghanistan. America’s role in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict also won’t change much. And if the next president is a Republican, it’s a safe bet he won’t invade any new countries.

As the Democrats move closer to the controversial neoconservative position of actively supporting democratic reform in the Middle East, they will claim that their strong idealistic diplomacy is the proper corrective to the Bush administration’s unilateral misadventures.

The Republicans will counter that with Saddam gone and the Taliban out of power, constitutional governments in their places, and both countries slowly stabilizing, the necessary unpleasant work is mostly done. So using military force to topple terrorist-sponsoring autocrats, at least for now, no longer has to be a ready option.

But either way, both will sound awfully similar — sort of like soft neocons.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; neocons; vdh; victordavishanson; waronterror; wot
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1 posted on 11/22/2007 4:33:07 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If “Neocon” means strong proactive US foreign policy and will to change the status quo with the aim to stabilize and further US supremacy, then the answer is yes. I think the Neocon agenda in the Middle East is being vindicated, although the way to success has been more arduous than expected. The Neocon agenda will be needed to deal with Iran, Syria and coming crises.


2 posted on 11/22/2007 4:37:19 AM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Kaslin
Their attacks on the elected al-Maliki government in Iraq often make them look like illiberal “bad cops”

Oddly, I believe this has had a highly positive, although accidental, effect.

Give the Iraqis, screaming about how they want the Americans to leave, an alternative group of Americans who actually will leave. Suddenly Iraqis have an entirely different perspective on the occupation.

3 posted on 11/22/2007 4:41:49 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Kaslin

Iran.

Doing nothing doesn’t solve the problem of a nuclear Iran.


4 posted on 11/22/2007 4:48:46 AM PST by DB
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To: Kaslin
I still do not understand exactly what a neocon is. I believe it is a term invented by liberals, and so I don’t care for its use or believe it is even useful.

One should not define one self in terms defined by the enemy.

I reject the term “capitalism” in favor of “Free Enterprise” along the same lines.

5 posted on 11/22/2007 4:58:15 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Kaslin
Petraeus for President.
6 posted on 11/22/2007 5:03:26 AM PST by jrsmc
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To: SolidWood
Neocon is an obvious play on Neo Nazi and is used by the sorry left to stir hatred and anger in their deluded followers.

This article is a pretty decent take on what is going on and how it will probably turn out or at least on what it will turn.

7 posted on 11/22/2007 5:05:02 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout; Mark was here

Neocon is not a term by the leftists. The “Neocons” coined the term themselves. Neoconservative because the first generation intellectual leaders of neoconservatism used to be leftists in the 1930’s and 1940’s. During the cold war they turned far right wing because of their opposition to the Soviets. The second and third generation Neoconservatives have not been leftists before. “Neo” is still used as a prefix because they differ from the usual old-school “paleo”conservatives who tended to be isolationist or non-interventionalist.
Neocons are basically either former libs turned right wing during the cold war, or conservatives who advocate strong and proactive defense and foreign policy.

Since the “intellectual leaders” of this movement are often Zionist Jews, the Left is abusing “Neocon” as an phrase to replace “jew” in their vocabulary when attacking the right wing.


8 posted on 11/22/2007 5:24:06 AM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Mark was here
"I still do not understand exactly what a neocon is. I believe it is a term invented by liberals, and so I don’t care for its use or believe it is even useful."

Exactly. Especially to the first.

9 posted on 11/22/2007 5:24:19 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Kaslin
...they (dems) will claim that their strong idealistic diplomacy is the proper corrective to the Bush administration’s unilateral misadventures.

They will campaign as if history began on September 12, 2001.

10 posted on 11/22/2007 5:25:06 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: SolidWood
"Neocons are basically either former libs turned right wing during the cold war, or conservatives who advocate strong and proactive defense and foreign policy."

Horse hockey. Show me that definition anywhere. And make sure it includes the word "basically".

11 posted on 11/22/2007 5:27:18 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

There is nothing wrong with the definition I have given.
Before calling it “horse hockey” you may want to bother to educate yourself on the subject and also look up what prominent self-identified Neoconservatives (Irving Kristol, Podhoretz) have said about themselves.


12 posted on 11/22/2007 5:40:48 AM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Kaslin
most leading Democrats quietly are backing away from their talk about bringing American troops in Iraq home on rigid timetables.

That explains the growing popularity of Ron Paul. The antiwar fanatics know that facts and current events mean nothing to a zealot like him, and he will go on screeching a message even more extreme than the Demons' one: "Get out of Europe! Out of Japan! Korea!"

13 posted on 11/22/2007 5:48:21 AM PST by hellbender
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To: SolidWood

I read Irving Kristol’s Conscience of a Neoconservative back in 1989. It really introduced me into conservative thought. Basically, him and other Jewish intellectuals were former leftists who transformed under Nixon and Reagan.

One main difference between neocons and other conservatives is perhaps that they are more willing to use government, i.e. they are not libertarians. Many of them still sympathize with welfare type policies, social programs, etc. Definitely, neocon policies, like foreign policy, are more idealistic. It is possible to call Reagan a neocon or a hybrid of neocon and paleocon.


14 posted on 11/22/2007 6:57:05 AM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: Kaslin

“With Iraq Improving, Will Neocon Ideas Return?”

I wasn’t aware they ever went away. I really must check my mail more often.


15 posted on 11/22/2007 7:48:30 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: SolidWood

Research Scoop Jackson, he was a serious Defense Democrat.
Look at the list of Neocons that worked for Scoop Jackson.

Is a Zionist a Jerusalemist?


16 posted on 11/22/2007 7:52:04 AM PST by Mojohemi
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To: Kaslin

I think I might be a mesocon.


17 posted on 11/22/2007 8:21:48 AM PST by stevem
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To: stevem

I’m just a plain old con. This neocon crap just plays into the hands of our enemies.


18 posted on 11/22/2007 8:41:45 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
I’m just a plain old con. This neocon crap just plays into the hands of our enemies.

I think I can learn to like almost anyone who sees life through the right spectacles even if he happened upon such righteousness of late. I think I can learn to like almost anyone who agrees with me on most issues, provided our disagreements aren't regarding the most salient issues of our age.

I think when St. Paul first attained fame it was as an angel of death who felt death by slow torture was too good for Christians. These days he is quite readable, even though he was a bit of a dogmatist even later in life.

19 posted on 11/22/2007 8:49:46 AM PST by stevem
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To: Mojohemi
I am familiar with Scoop Jackson and the development of Neoconservatism, but I don't know what you are exactly trying to go at with your first comment.

Is a Zionist a Jerusalemist?

Absolutely yes. That's the essence of Zionism. If you are referring to the current Bush/State Department policy on the Palestinian issue, well that's of course not Zionism.

20 posted on 11/22/2007 9:14:07 AM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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