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CNN: Will Rudy Be ‘Swiftboated’?
NewsBusters.org ^ | 11/21/2007 | Matthew Balan

Posted on 11/21/2007 8:22:43 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: Mariner
What is YOUR motive for tearing down a GOP contender?

Mariner,

All he is doing is posting his record.

How can that be construed as "tearing down a GOP contender".

I simply do not understand.
41 posted on 11/21/2007 10:53:30 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Count of Monte Logan
The Anti-Rudi posts here are worse and more distasteful than their DU counterparts on the democratic forum.

No they are not.

I have seen the posts on DU, the anti-posts, including mine don't even come close.

Most of the Anti-Rudy posts on this site include his record.

He is the most liberal Republican Candidate ever for President.

His past is awful.

He deserves everything he is getting on this site because of his own choices.

BTW, do you think Hillary will soft-shoe it with him?

You think conservatives discussing his past is bad, wait until a fellow liberal gets going and starts actually sliming him.

If by some miracle he is nominated, Hillary will take his record and use it like a club to beat him senseless.
42 posted on 11/21/2007 10:57:14 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: outofstyle
"Really? What kind of BS statement is that? What mayor of MAJOR U.S. city would have done better that morning? Remember?" Any republican mayor would have done as well or better.

Yes, he did well, but it does not make him a saint, nor does it make him above criticism.
43 posted on 11/21/2007 10:59:28 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: DakotaRed

Thank you DakotaRed for your good definition of what ‘Swift Boating’ is. That’s the first time i have ever seen it defined like that.

As for Vietnam vets, i too was there and have many memories of the Central Highlands area where we were...also still have the memory of film clips showing JK testifying before Congress and his rotten lies about the troops in the RVN...If he wouldn’t back the troops, can you imagine how he would (and still does)betray the US in world affairs ?


44 posted on 11/21/2007 10:59:56 PM PST by billmor (tenjooberrymush....)
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To: SoConPubbie

“If by some miracle he is nominated, Hillary will take his record and use it like a club to beat him senseless.”

Wrong on both accounts. First, Rudy will be nominated. Second, Hill’s record as pathetic as it is (is New York still paying her to tour the country on her behalf?) with her vote yes, then no, double talking (keep thinking voters), pub “mudslinging” rheotric along with false intentions and continued support and dependency on a “man” who lied to an entire nation under oath (Oh, forgot, that’s okay to those with no morals) and must also mention that she supported the removal of Saddam then dating back to the Bill days yet back peddled when complications arised. Yeah, Rudy is a sure loser!


45 posted on 11/21/2007 11:22:17 PM PST by CTSeditor
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46 posted on 11/21/2007 11:35:21 PM PST by Fargo Rock
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Rudy sure fits a democrat profile!

IT is for the murder of unborn babies!
IT is a big gun control nut!
IT covered for the invaders in ITS city!
IT surrounds ITself with queers and thugs!

Why does IT have an R by ITS name instead of a D?

I'll give you one of many evidences of Rudy's Republicanism, and maybe after you've read it you'll stop spamming the board with your ridiculous post:

If Duncan Hunter is the nominee, Rudy will support him and campaign for him.

If Fred Thompson is the nominee, Rudy will support him and campaign for him.

If Mitt Romney is the nominee, Rudy will support him and campaign for him.

Rudy will support and campaign for the Republican nominee, because Republicans support Republicans in general elections. Democrats do not support Republicans in general elections.

Got it?

47 posted on 11/21/2007 11:50:39 PM PST by Chunga (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Pyro7480

I did not know that Rudy was in Viet Nam.


48 posted on 11/21/2007 11:52:28 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Pyro7480
Rudy will be the nominee. Forget Iowa and New Hampshire. He will win enough states to advance. We will have to deal with it. I would rather have Fred or Duncan. But there will be Supreme Court openings to deal with.
49 posted on 11/22/2007 12:00:07 AM PST by Brimack34
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To: Chunga
Rudy campaigned for a democrat over a republican for the Governor of NY.

So that blows your statement out of the water.

50 posted on 11/22/2007 2:01:50 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney, For reply, send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DNC.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I believe Rudy would govern the country differently than he governed NY.

If he is the nominee, I hope all here will stand behind him and help him defeat the beast.

Even Ann Coulter said, “I’ll vote for whichever fool [the Republicans] put up there”


51 posted on 11/22/2007 2:21:45 AM PST by zeebee
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To: zeebee

I do not trust either Rudy or Romney and The only people BJ Clinton’s baggage can beat are north east liberals.


52 posted on 11/22/2007 2:38:08 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney, For reply, send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DNC.)
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To: zeebee

“I believe Rudy would govern the country differently than he governed NY.” LOL

I thought IT was the mayor of New York City.
When did IT govern NY?


53 posted on 11/22/2007 2:56:51 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney, For reply, send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DNC.)
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To: Pyro7480

Depends on the definition of “swiftboating”. The charges against John F. Kerry, that he performed poorly, or even as conduct unbecoming of an officer, while stationed in Viet Nam, were pretty largely based in fact and the recollections of those who served in close proximity with him.

No similar charges, with a verifiable factual basis, have been, or are likely to be, brought against Rudy Giuliani. While Rudy has been somewhat callous and even ruthless occasionally in his personal relationships, and may have made a bad judgment call a couple of times (Bernard Kerik comes to mind), still there are no open malfeasances of office that are substantiated. Giuliani has not traded upon his position for personal advantage, as have certain others formerly and currently seeking higher office.

Of course, nobody is specifically prohibited from making allegations. But proving them, or even making them seem plausible, is another matter altogether. In the case of John F. Kerry, the “swiftboating” seemed altogether believable, given his civilian record since. Plus those annoying corroborating statements by those who were there.


54 posted on 11/22/2007 4:40:52 AM PST by alloysteel (Ignorance is no handicap for some people in a debate. They just get more shrill.)
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To: Pyro7480
I will always look back fondly at the 2004 campaign. You had a few good men with a shoe string budget take on a hundred million dollar campaign assisted by the infinite budget of the MSM...and win.

The fact that CNN wants to remind the world day after day that they are losing power my the second is doubly gratifying.

I wonder how CNN and the rest of the MSM really felt about alien amnesty.

I don't think Guiliani is going to make it, but it won't be because of his 9/11 efforts.

55 posted on 11/22/2007 5:27:35 AM PST by stevem
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To: Pyro7480

Hopefully, the concern being that the “exposers” have the credibility of the Swift Boat Vets. Without credibility it’s Borking.


56 posted on 11/22/2007 5:47:59 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: tear gas

In many ways Rudy is a most disgusting person, I would not vote for him for dogcatcher, but he is not a coward. He is like a bulldog, full speed ahead. He is a lier, a thief a manipulator, more liberal than most democrats, one of the gutsiest people ever and seems to think rules and laws do not apply to him, but again I repeat, not a coward.


57 posted on 11/22/2007 7:30:15 AM PST by lolhelp
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To: Pyro7480

Rudy was strong during and after 911 and America knows that. To besmirch this is very short sighted. To pretend there was a “right” way to handle that crisis is absurd.

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops


58 posted on 11/22/2007 7:36:48 AM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: tear gas
I could never ask our troops to salute Rudy Giuliani.

But, but, what about the Gaystapo???


59 posted on 11/22/2007 7:39:34 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Steely Tom
The leftists also used the tactic you describe to attack Clarence Thomas. During his confirmation hearings a solid majority of the public believed Thomas and thought Anita Hill's claims were lies. But after a few years of relentless MSM spin, polls indicated that most Americans now believed the Hill/DNC smear.

That's why The Shrew and I have spent most of the past two years writing the definitive book on what the Swift Vets and the other anti-Kerry veterans really said and did in 2004, and how the media first ignored and then misrepresented their charges. The book is titled, "To Set the Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry." John O'Neill was kind enough to provide the Foreword. The book should be available online in early December. I think you'll find it quite interesting.

60 posted on 11/22/2007 9:19:49 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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