Posted on 11/19/2007 6:00:13 AM PST by tlb
After the Republican debate on Tuesday evening in Dearborn, Mich., a reporter from the Arab-American News asked Ron Paul what he thought of the term “Islamic fascism.”
“It’s a false term to make people think we’re fighting Hitler,” Paul responded. “It’s war propaganda designed to generate fear so that the war has to be spread.”
The call has gone out to all the Muslim Americans to hurry up and register to vote Republican so that they can vote in the Republican Primary to support Ron Paul, the anti-interventionist, non-isolationist candidate for President of the United States. Muslims are opening their wallets and joining teaparty07.com as well.
An anonymous Ron Paul supporter posted the following message on the internet: “Muslims and Americans have an unique window of opportunity for the 2008 election. There is a candidate running as a Republican that would work to completely cut off the funding to Israel, remove ALL US troops from Arab lands, and repeal the Patriot Act. He’s a Republican with Libertarian views named Ron Paul. Ron Paul’s policies ranging from monetary to foreign are top notch. Till now Muslims and Americans have not had an American Presidential candidate that really suited their best interests. This election is unique in that we have a man running as a Republican that speaks the truth…We know the current policies in the Middle East are failing, not only making it less safe in the world but hurting and killing innocent Muslims, which our media callously calls collateral damage. It is our duty as Muslims to follow the truth regardless of how futile it may seem. Ron Paul is the only candidate that does not seem to be swayed by the influential lobbies that the other candidates are catering to.”
Ron Paul stood up in Congress in 2006 and opposed a resolution that sided with Israel in the Lebanon-Israel conflict. He stated the following.
Ron Paul: “Mr. Speaker, I follow a policy in foreign affairs called non-interventionism. I do not believe we are making the United States more secure when we involve ourselves in conflicts overseas. The Constitution really doesn’t authorize us to be the policemen of the world, much less to favor one side over another in foreign conflicts. It is very clear, reading this resolution objectively, that all the terrorists are on one side and all the victims and the innocents are on the other side. I find this unfair, particularly considering the significantly higher number of civilian casualties among Lebanese civilians. I would rather advocate neutrality rather than picking sides, which is what this resolution does.”
Ron Paul has also sponsored a bill to overturn the Patriot Act. He is one of the few members of Congress from either of the major houses that is speaking rationally about these issues. How can we get everyone, and I mean everyone, to join the Ron Paul Republican voter sign-up campaign?
There is general frustration with politicians these days, and the unwillingness to believe that supporting a particular candidate will make a difference. But whether Ron Paul wins or loses, ronpaul.meetup.com is a great way to meet your neighbors who are against the war and organize the community on a grassroots level. If something like Katrina ever happened to us, knowing our neighbors could mean the difference between life and death to our families.
The common thread I’ve been reading lately about leftists and Jews is that they are having trouble getting more than a dozen people to come to their stuff (whether anti-Zionist or Zionist). The anti-Israel movement is not moving forward, because “protest Zionist imperialism” is just not a catchy slogan. By contrast, there are over 400 RP activists against war taxes in Boston alone. Every day the list of passionate anti-war activists grows. Very few of them agree with every single RP position, they just want to get the Lobby out of the way and pull the troops out of Iraq.
One reason it’s working is because of the software. They made the ronpaul.meetup.com site almost like a dating site, where you can make friends with people in or near your zip code. They made it very easy to get together with new people to join the activism. You can’t beat technology, may as well use it.
In the event that RP actually won the election and got the Hamas treatment, his supporters are fully in support of the Right to Bear Arms. It would be interesting to see what followed.
If anti-war protesters want to continue to focus on the genocidal machinations of the global zionist-imperialist military, industrial, financial, political, neoliberal, media complex, they have to be willing to meet with anyone any time to hear what ideas people have to address this, which is our primary responsibility - even if they are Republicans.
If you ever saw Ron Paul in an interview it cannot be said that he avoids discussing vital issues. He is someone who is willing to make a statement and stick by it even when no one agrees with him. I don’t “believe” in electoral politics but it’s not that much sweat off my brow to go and vote to end war.
I think the fact that NO pro-Israel group will let Ron Paul speak at their convention, not even peace Zionists, is evidence enough that he is the only person to put in charge as commander-in-chief. And, even if he loses, making all these contacts with local anti-interventionists is priceless. If you want to expand the peace movement so that it overlaps with the freedom movement like ripples in a pond, you just have to respect the fact that people might agree with you, but for different reasons.
Right, because the WTC is the only American property anywhere in the world that terrorists attack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
I used to think the "NEVAR FORGET!!1" crowd were a bit hysterical, but I see know how quickly people do forget. I see Ron Paul bumper stickers all over a college campus I sometimes visit, that's reason enough for me not to vote for him.
1-Paul's supporters aren't Republicans, they're antiwar across the spectrum. The only mention of the GOP is that it's been hijacked. They won't be voting for a Republican.
2-Thompson isn't going to lose the nomination because Paul propaganda is answered on Freerepublic. If I'm wrong then my opinion on expulsion changes, JR should ban Paul supporters as other sites have done.
So you think the Navy should stay tied up in American harbors?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tom_explosion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_attack
That's true, he would close all overseas bases, including all in the middle east, so by definition attacks on our forces in the mideast and elsewhere would end. As to Pearl Harbor, he's already minimized 9/11 as only a month of highway deaths. Pearl Harbor was only a month of 1941 deaths.
I concede the possibility. I guess it takes all kinds of people, and just because you are the only rabid Paulistinian who also supports Fred Thompson on Freerepublic doesn't make it automatically untrue.
Didn't you just say before that there was a trend for Paulistinians to pretend and like Fred?
Or did he say...
Middle Eastern politics are insane and we have no right to sacrifice our soldiers by putting them between these barbaric factions.
He left Lebanon and withdrew ALL our troops.
period.
So do you consider Reagan to have been a cut and run coward or do you consider him to be a realist?
Well, since he withdrew not unilaterally, but in conjuction with negotiated agreements, which provided for the evacuation of the PLO to Tunis, ceded the southern ten miles of Lebanon to Israel, and boosted military aid to Israel by about 40%, I'd go with realist rather than surrender monkey.
Meant to include you in 209
Your “often unmentioned fact” is neither unmentioned nor proved to be fact. It’s trotted out whenever the left wants to persuade others that the nation is behind them.
Asking whether one supports surrendering Iraq to the Islamists or withdrawing from the world stage in the hope that we will be left alone would give you a much different figure.
Did we install an Islamist government in Iraq, or are we giving a nascent democracy a chance to emerge? Time will tell, if we let it but if we leave you may be sure the fanatics will win and we will face them here. Where did you say? Malibu?
We aren’t selling Israel out so much as being incompetent in our demands to it on how it should deal with it’s enemies. Israel exists because of us but if we go along with Ron Paul's desire to stop foreign interventionism Israel will stand alone. Isn’t there something in the Bible about that?
Kosovo, like so many other problems we face is a problem bill clinton left us that W has failed to deal with. Cleaning house over at Foggy Bottom and Langley would go a long way toward fixing things, there and elsewhere.
Things are going in Pakistan the way they are and we will have to deal with it. Would it be better if we weren’t involved there? At least our good Spec Ops guys are rumored to be securing Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.
You know, friend, you appear to support RP’s cut and run policy while saying that our allies can’t trust us not to cut and run. That’s certainly the case if Ron Paul or any DemocRAT wins the election.
Stay the course and leave a somewhat stable Iraq that might be our friend or declare defeat and insure the rule of Sharia law. We will see what sense the war makes if we lose.
Michael Frazier
Excerpts Iraqi Constitution.
SECTION ONE: FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES
Article 2:
First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:
A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.
Article 15:
Every individual has the right to enjoy life, security and liberty. Deprivation or restriction of these rights is prohibited (except in accordance with the law) and based on a decision issued by a competent judicial authority.
Supreme Court:
Second: The Federal Supreme Court shall be made up of number of judges, and experts in Islamic jurisprudence and law experts whose number, the method of their selection and the work of the court shall be determined by a law enacted by a two-third majority of the members of the Council of Representatives.
Article 91:
Decisions of the Federal Supreme Court are final and binding for all authorities.
“Stay the course and leave a somewhat stable Iraq that might be our friend or declare defeat and insure the rule of Sharia law.”
It appears that our victory has insured the rule of “ Sharia law.”
Both major parties are so damn corrupted by foreign influence Americans cannot win with either. Twenty-five percent of American corporations funding the major campaigns are primarily foreign owned now, up from barely 10% a decade ago. This coupled with foreign governments, primarily Saudi Arabia and Communist China funding the BIG government Democrats and Republicans relish, are bad omens for the nation.
2008 may be the last time Americans get to truly choose their president.
AND NOW, FRIENDS AND COUNTRYMEN, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?
Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.
She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.
She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.
She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.
She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.
But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.
She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.
The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....
She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....
[America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
John Quincy Adams on U.S. Foreign Policy
Depending on your perspective, the Bill of Rights can mean different things to different people.
To the Sunni Taliban Sharia means forcing the populace to live as the Taliban decides it will, with stoning rape victims and hanging homosexuals, along with burning record stores and flogging barbers who cut beards among the punishments.
The Iraqi constitution provides for judicial review by elected representative who aren’t necessarily mullahs or imams of one sect but will be composed of a two-third majority of the members of the Council of Representatives. That’s not to say that Iraq won’t take the path of radicalism even with our presence, but it will almost certainly do so if we leave now.
I admit that you are correct about Sharia being the final word in the Iraqi constitution. The interpretation of what that word means in Iraq is what I’m concerned about. I also accept that Islam itself may be the enemy and if we lose, which we haven’t,or leave which we will if Ron Paul or any DemocRAT wins, it will mean that the radicals decide what Sharia law means.
We have a good chance to influence events throughout the Middle East or we can run away and have no chance. Ron Paul wants us to run away.
I do like what RP says about immigration, but I don’t think he really has a clue as to how to make his word fact and so I have no faith in him.
Michael Frazier
It is true that it will not be just be the Islamofascisti who will be heartbroken. Other heartbroken groups will be paleopeacecreeps, the antiAmericans generally, Code Pink, International ANSWER, those who would like to woo our ENEMIES by selling them arms with which to attack us (isn't that part of paleoPaulie's "trade" policy?), antimilitary types, welfare state enthusiastss (not that paleoPaulie favors welfare personally but many of his supporters would like to make the Pentagon's budget available to be squandered on welfare between now and a few years from now when our country would be conquered by the Sharia law types), those who like "pro-life" paleoPaulie because he is devoted to all talk and no actual action, goldbugs, eighteenth century folks, Jane Fonda types, other al Qaeda love slaves, etc., etc., (BARF!).
By mid-January, this paleoPaulie farce should be over and we can concentrate on taking away the twerp's Congressional nomination and getting Chris Peden into Congress.
The main appeal and effort in Arabic and Muslim circles has come from the RP grassroots supporters. We ran a very nice ad in Dearborn, MI to appeal to the large Arab community there, for instance. Just spreading terrorism in our own special way with free speech and inclusion of all Americans, even those people so evil as to be born of Arab ancestry (including the majority of Arabs in America who are and have always been Christians).
QFT. Thank you, it's nice to see people who aren't sucked into the groupthink mentality.
Very well.
I hope as you watch events unfold that you will keep an open mind regarding Ron Paul. Civility on all sides is sorely lacking on these threads and your attempt to be so is appreciated.
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