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High court to look at ban on handguns
McClatchy-Tribune ^ | Nov. 9, 2007, 12:18AM | MICHAEL DOYLE

Posted on 11/09/2007 3:17:09 AM PST by cbkaty

Justices to decide whether to take up case on strict limits approved in D.C.

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court will discuss gun control today in a private conference that soon could explode publicly.

Behind closed doors, the nine justices will consider taking a case that challenges the District of Columbia's stringent handgun ban. Their ultimate decision will shape how far other cities and states can go with their own gun restrictions.

"If the court decides to take this up, it's very likely it will end up being the most important Second Amendment case in history," said Dennis Henigan, the legal director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Henigan predicted "it's more likely than not" that the necessary four justices will vote to consider the case. The court will announce its decision Tuesday, and oral arguments could be heard next year.

Lawyers are swarming.

Texas, Florida and 11 other states weighed in on behalf of gun owners who are challenging D.C.'s strict gun laws. New York and three other states want the gun restrictions upheld. Pediatricians filed a brief supporting the ban. A Northern California gun dealer, Russell Nordyke, filed a brief opposing it.

From a victim's view: Tom Palmer considers the case a matter of life and death.

Palmer turns 51 this month. He's an openly gay scholar in international relations at the Cato Institute, a libertarian research center, and holds a Ph.D. from Oxford University. He thinks that a handgun saved him years ago in San Jose, Calif., when a gang threatened him.

"A group of young men started yelling at us, 'we're going to kill you' (and) 'they'll never find your bodies,' " Palmer said in a March 2003 declaration. "Fortunately, I was able to pull my handgun out of my backpack, and our assailants backed off."

He and five other plaintiffs named in the original lawsuit challenged Washington's ban on possessing handguns. The District of Columbia permits possession of other firearms, if they're disassembled or stored with trigger locks.

Their broader challenge is to the fundamental meaning of the Second Amendment. Here, commas, clauses and history all matter.

The Second Amendment says, "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Gun-control advocates say this means that the government can limit firearms ownership as part of its power to regulate the militia. Gun ownership is cast as a collective right, with the government organizing armed citizens to protect homeland security.

"The Second Amendment permits reasonable regulation of firearms to protect public safety and does not guarantee individuals the absolute right to own the weapons of their choice," New York and the three other states declared in an amicus brief.

Gun-control critics contend that the well-regulated militia is beside the point, and say the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess guns.

Clashing decisions

Last March, a divided appellate court panel sided with the individual-rights interpretation and threw out the D.C. ban.

The ruling clashed with other appellate courts, creating the kind of appellate-circuit split that the Supreme Court likes to resolve. The ruling obviously stung D.C. officials, but it perplexed gun-control advocates.

If D.C. officials tried to salvage their gun-control law by appealing to the Supreme Court — as they then did — they could give the court's conservative majority a chance to undermine gun-control laws nationwide.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bradybill; conctitution; constitution; firearms; gungrabbers; heller; parker; rkba; scotus; secondamendment; supremecourt
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To: cbkaty
If this does go to the S.C. AND the ban on handguns does succeed. We will then know who the real traitors are in this country.

The lines will have been crossed.

21 posted on 11/09/2007 4:52:30 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH

It’s not that bad in DC - but the murder rate in New Orleans very well might be.


23 posted on 11/09/2007 4:58:20 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: SirFishalot
"....Dems taking the Prez, House, and Senate this coming election."

All because 'conservatives' eat our own. The litmus test folks would rather hand those offices to the liberals than accept a Republican candidate who is less than pure, pure. That is precisely how we lost the Senate. What a difference one voter can make.

24 posted on 11/09/2007 4:58:32 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: SirFishalot

Ask her if she’s going to come to my house, and take mine. And if not, why not.


25 posted on 11/09/2007 4:59:19 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: cbkaty
“A group of young men started yelling at us, ‘we’re going to kill you’ (and) ‘they’ll never find your bodies,’ “ Palmer said in a March 2003 declaration. “Fortunately, I was able to pull my handgun out of my backpack, and our assailants backed off.”

He is an admitted felon then in California. Or had a CC permit which is unlikely.

26 posted on 11/09/2007 5:04:23 AM PST by colonialhk (Harry and Nancy are our best moron allies)
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To: FreedomPoster

Either way, here in Virginia I am still LEGALLY carrying mine...in hopes of never having to use it.


27 posted on 11/09/2007 5:10:20 AM PST by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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To: SirFishalot
the democrats know they will never be able to rid america of guns. there are over 300 million in private hands right now with approx 7 million added every year.

handguns are a significant proportion of that 300 million. they are not going to go house to house. SCOTUS will defent the 2nd amendment.

28 posted on 11/09/2007 5:12:44 AM PST by thefactor
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To: thefactor

ugh...”defend”.


29 posted on 11/09/2007 5:13:11 AM PST by thefactor
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To: mosaicwolf
The most important case in history regarding the 2nd Amendment was the wrongly decided case of US vs Miller in 1934.

I would suggest that you haven't read Miller very closely. It is pretty clear that had anyone been present to represent Miller and give evidence that a short barreled shotgun was indeed a suitable militia weapon, the Court would have found that Miller had a right to possess it. The Court said that there was - no evidence before the Court - because Miller was dead and his lawyer didn't bother to show up.

30 posted on 11/09/2007 5:14:08 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: shekkian
We should let Musharaff be AG for a week or so. He has the handle on lawyers.
31 posted on 11/09/2007 5:17:17 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: ourusa

ping


32 posted on 11/09/2007 5:21:46 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: padre35
If “We” win, then a state by state fight would begin to tear down the rotted tree of UnConstitutional Firearms laws.

Maybe. But do a spot of research and find out what percentage of the "pro-gun" states populations have ccw permits? Even in Florida, the GUNSHINE state, the percentage is miniscule. Overall, what is the ratio of sheep ("civilized folks who believe the police will "take care of them") to Sheepdogs (primarily CCW holders)?

33 posted on 11/09/2007 5:22:58 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Labyrinthos
"Then the battle will turn to the limits, if any, upon the governent's ability to regulate the fundemental right of gun ownership even though the Second Amendment (like the First Amendment) is absolute and without exception."

Actually, there ARE limits to the First Amendment ("yelling "fire" in a crowded theater"). And throughout the history of the United States, it has been understood that states can remove the firearms ownership rights of convicted felons-though that limitation used to be only for the duration of the sentence, while now it is essentially "forever".

34 posted on 11/09/2007 5:23:55 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: SirFishalot
My concern as well. If we loose the elections and thus the Supreme Court we may be dam lucky to keep our fishing gear let alone our treasured guns. The Bill of Rights will become the Bill of Privileged Liberals as they attack to relieve us of what we’ve learned and earned.
35 posted on 11/09/2007 5:26:08 AM PST by mcshot (Missing my grade school desk which protected from nuclear blasts.)
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To: cbkaty

“Pediatricians filed a brief supporting the ban.”

More children die every year drowning in buckets of water than are killed by firearms.

Where’s your support for a ban on buckets you leftist lying scumbags?


36 posted on 11/09/2007 5:26:34 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The difference in restrictions on the First Amendment is that they are not “prior restraint.” You don’t gag everyone who walks into the theater, or subject them all to mental exams, in case someone might falsely yell “fire.”

The same can’t be said of restrictions on gun ownership.


37 posted on 11/09/2007 5:27:38 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: SkyPilot
Looks like they got part of their costume from the Taliban.
Frightening.
38 posted on 11/09/2007 5:28:05 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: ExSoldier

The number of CCW permits has zip to do with the number of people who are “anti-gun-control”. Lots of gun owners don’t have/do CCW (I’m one of them—but that may change) but DO support gun ownership rights.


39 posted on 11/09/2007 5:28:18 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: mosaicwolf
the wrongly decided case of US vs Miller in 1934.

It wasn't eactly wrongly decided. The lawyers for the defendant (Miller) never showed up to offer arguments. Therefore the Government won by default. Not exactly a stellar moment in the annals of USSC history.

40 posted on 11/09/2007 5:28:43 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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