"Ron Paul Spammers" Targeted by UAB Spam Team

University of Alabama at Birmingham ^ | 10/29/07

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Hackers and script-kiddies laugh at such restrictions.

I'm sure that FOX News & the other media organizations who conduct these polls have some of the best security systems available.

[Petronski]

LOL

[The Pack Knight]

You mean the Thomas Jefferson who intervened in North Africa without a declaration of war? Or how about when James Madison, who was not only, unlike Jefferson, a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, but actually penned the document, did the same thing during his Administration? Would Ron Paul consider those acts unconstitutional, or just when Bush does it?

Also, those quotes need to be kept in the context of the Wars of the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars, which was a far different situation than those we've faced in the 20th and 21st centuries. Would they have had us leave Britain to stand alone against Nazi Germany? Would they have objected to NATO, preferring that we abandon Europe to the Soviets? I rather think not.

If the Constitutional Convention had truly wished to prevent treaties of alliance, they might have limited the President's and the Senate's power to do so in Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution. They didn't, though, probably because they foresaw that it might be necessary or desirable to do so in the future.

[2CAVTrooper]

“The RonPaulForums people are trying to discredit the author by posting fake messages on their fake Rudy forum saying they are her and bragging how she got a fake article published.

http://www.rudygiulianiforum.com/index.php?topic=34.0

These people are sick.”

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[Gondring]

Should we consider the Founding Fathers kooks because some of their followers are?

[2CAVTrooper]

“Should we consider the Founding Fathers kooks because some of their followers are?”

No, the Founding Fathers were quite rational.

ron paul and his supporters are misinformed conspiracy nut cowards who hate this country.

ron paul is a two faced lying coward who doesn’t have the backbone or the balls to put his foot down and distance himself from the neo-nazis, conspiracy nuts, and assorted other criminals that support him.

[Dead Corpse]

So TJ wanting us to fight Piracy requires a declaration of war? Letters of M&R are spelled out in the Constitution. Duh... Also, the Pasha of Tripoli was not only attacking our ships, he actually declared war on us after TJ refused to accede to his demands.

If that first one is all the better you've got, catch up with me after you've learned something...

[The Pack Knight]

Thomas Jefferson did not issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal; he committed US Navy ships. Letters of Marque and Reprisal only involve private vessels.

Saddam Hussein's Iraq fired on our aircraft and systematically violated the ceasefire agreement, both of which constitute acts of war.

Ron Paul contends that the invasion of Iraq was illegal. Does that mean Thomas Jefferson and James Madison's actions in North Africa were also illegal?

Catch up with me after you've learned something.

[Dead Corpse]

he committed US Navy ships.

Before, or after, Tripoli declared war on us... Considering the Barbary coast was up to this crap before TJ took office, that question answers itself. Sending in the Navy to face a declared enemy is entirely commensurate with Executive duties.

Saddam Hussein's Iraq fired on our aircraft and systematically violated the ceasefire agreement, both of which constitute acts of war.

Yes. I know. Which is why we were justified in going back in and kicking his ass. My main disapprobations there revolving around using UN mandates and "WMD's" as justification when it wasn't needed. Fighting this as a "police action", when it clearly still required overt military destruction has extended this conflict far beyond what was really necessary.That, in and of itself, is not enough reason to pull out before the job is done though. Hence my disgust at Ron Paul standing up there with pacifist commies like Kookcinich.

Does that mean Thomas Jefferson and James Madison's actions in North Africa were also illegal?

You seem to be under a few misconceptions. Catch back up with me after you figure out which side of the war I'm on.

[The Pack Knight]

I gathered what side of the war you’re on. What I don’t understand is how any of this makes Ron Paul an originalist.

[Dead Corpse]

What I don’t understand is how any of this makes Ron Paul an originalist.

Do you know any of his other stances? Property Rights. RKBA? Free speech?

His stance on the war was that we should have had a full on declaration of war against terrorist supporting Nations if we were going to send in our rather expensive military. We used UN mandates and shoddy intel instead. Dr. Paul also feels that the 1973 War Powers Act was an unConstitutional transfer of power and that our military actions since then have suffered greatly from it. He's right, and it is consistent with the Founding Intent, but it's also irrelevant.

These sand fleas in the ME have been attacking us since our Countries inception. Past due time to return the favor.

[Gondring]

ron paul and his supporters are misinformed conspiracy nut cowards who hate this country.

Nice of you to call so many of your fellow soldiers "conspiracy nut cowards who hate this country."

[bray]

The Truth is allowed here. You know exactly who he is talking about.

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops

[2CAVTrooper]

“Nice of you to call so many of your fellow soldiers “conspiracy nut cowards who hate this country.”

So many of them?

He has what like 20 or 30 military supporters?

And they ain’t my “fellow” anything if they can’t see the true threat that ron paul represents.

All one has to do is open ones eyes and do a little research, and they can see for themselves that ron paul is a fake. He is nothing but a stuffed shirt running as a flak for hillary.

He has voted against bills to provide funding for body armor as well as the MRAP’s.

He has voted against bills the provide funding for food, water, ammunition and medical supplies for the military.

He wants to kick veterans to the curb by doing away with the VA.

[Gondring]

He has what like 20 or 30 military supporters?

LMHO!

He's a veteran himself, he's very supportive of the military (and veterans [pushing for better benefits and care]), and he gets more donations from the military (including active-duty military) than the other candidates!

With stories like "Paul Leads in Donations from Military Voters, with Obama Next" (from Houston Chronicle, Oct 18, 2007), it's obviously a lot more than 20-30!

Try some of these links...

click image for link

http://www.militaryforpaul.com/

You might want to reconsider your reliance on leftist sources like the MSM for your information.

Afraid of the Constitution? I guess that he would be a threat, then.

He wants to kick veterans to the curb by doing away with the VA.

Yeah, at the same time that he's written articles bashing Congress for not giving enough funding to the VA...ha!

If you can't do second-order thinking and understand indirect processes, then I guess you might not follow the full picture. I hestitate to suggest you are just being dishonest in your characterization.

[2CAVTrooper]

Oh yeah he’s real “supportive” of the military.

So supportive that he voted against the funding to provide body armor as well as additional armored vehicles?

So supportive that he wants to kick veterans to the curb by eliminating the VA instead of returning it to it’s original mission of providing medical care to those veterans who were wounded in combat or were medically discharged due to injuries recieved while on active duty.

ron paul is a disgrace to the uniform as well as to this country.

[Gondring]

citations, please