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Reid: Right-wingers have taken LDS Church members down 'wrong path'
The Salt Lake Tribune ^

Posted on 10/16/2007 10:36:59 AM PDT by esryle

PROVO - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told Brigham Young University students Tuesday that it is possible to be a good Mormon and a Democrat. "My faith and political beliefs are deeply intertwined. I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it," he told a gathering of more than 4,000 at the Marriott Center. But Nevada's senior senator says he also hopes votes for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney are "determined by his political stands, and not his religion." Reid said people often question how he can be a Democrat and a Mormon, but called the social responsibility Democrats espouse a good fit with the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He questioned the guidance of some LDS Church leaders, though. In remarks to the media following his address, Reid said that, "In the past years we've had some very prominent members of the church, like Ezra Taft Benson, who are really right-wing people. "Members of the church are obedient and followers in the true sense of the word, but these people have taken members of the church down the path that is the wrong path," he said. However, Reid says he doesn't have to answer to those who question his faith in the LDS Church. "I have to go get my [temple] recommend, and they're not present," he quipped. Reid didn't convert to the LDS Church until he became an adult, after he married his wife, Landra, both of whom were 19 at the time. Before joining the church, he said the figure he came closest to worshipping was President Franklin D. Roosevelt. A pillowcase with the quote "We can, we will, we must" stitched on it hung in his living room growing up in Searchlight, Nev., in a house with no indoor plumbing. "He fought for the workers of America," Reid said. "President Roosevelt is the basis of my political direction." Reid praised workers' unions, condemned the thought that free enterprise alone can solve global warming and spoke out strongly against the war in Iraq. "I say the invasion of Iraq was the worst foreign policy blunder in our country's history," he said, to loud applause from many in attendance. "I say our diplomatic army should be larger than our military army." Reid said afterward that the reaction did not surprise him because many Americans oppose the war, including BYU students. Although Reid is a Democrat, he says he is adamantly anti-abortion, and instead of voting for abortion bills, he votes for family-planning measures such as federal health insurance programs covering contraceptives, he said. Katherine Winters, a graduate student in civil engineering, said she was happy to get beyond the typical sound bites and begin to know Reid "as a person." She said she originally registered as a Republican when she turned 18 because her parents were Republicans. But lately she's been rethinking her political stand. "Recently there's so much that the Democratic Party has embraced; there is so much good that those social causes have done," she said. "I don't think you can call yourself a true Christian without caring for the poor."


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KEYWORDS: harryreid; mormon
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To: pogo101
Q: What's the definition of a Klingon diplomat?
A: A warrior who is low on disuptor power cells.
61 posted on 10/16/2007 1:25:09 PM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: esryle
The only thing Harry Reid has proven is that you can be a “good” Mormon and still be an idiot!
62 posted on 10/16/2007 1:29:56 PM PDT by POWG
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To: DirtyPigpen


"You'll have to excuse my friend - he did a little too much LDS..."
66 posted on 10/16/2007 2:14:28 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: mbraynard

Oh, I was being facetious. But seriously, I’ve known Mormons all my life. In fact, I spent a couple years in the care of a Mormon foster family when I was younger, and I have always admired their self-reliance, their strong family values, their Conservative principles and their rock-hard practicality.

All of which is why I find it so bizarre that Reid is a “Mormon in good standing.” Liberal Mormon is (to me, anyhow) just as much of a contradiction in terms as atheist-priest.

Weird.


67 posted on 10/16/2007 2:36:02 PM PDT by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: esryle

Well, according to Harry, the Mormons are more “right-wing” than he thinks is advisable. Good. I feel better about Mitt Romney and the majority of Mormons already.

Seriously, over the years I’ve been friends with some Mormons, and they were some of the most conservative people I’ve ever met in my life. Ever. Including all the Catholics and Evangelicals I’ve known over the years.


68 posted on 10/16/2007 3:02:11 PM PDT by khnyny (Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed. Winston Churchill)
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To: esryle

Well, according to Harry, the Mormons are more “right-wing” than he thinks is advisable. Good. I feel better about Mitt Romney and the majority of Mormons already.

Seriously, over the years I’ve been friends with some Mormons, and they were some of the most conservative people I’ve ever met in my life. Ever. Including all the Catholics and Evangelicals I’ve known over the years.


69 posted on 10/16/2007 3:02:15 PM PDT by khnyny (Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed. Winston Churchill)
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To: esryle
I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it," he told a gathering of more than 4,000 at the Marriott Center.

I say the invasion of Iraq was the worst foreign policy blunder in our country's history," he said, to loud applause from many in attendance.

Hmm BYU with a student enrollment of 30,000, I suppose you can squeeze 4,000 Democrat-leaning students out of it.

70 posted on 10/16/2007 3:03:55 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

We didn’t have piped heat and my granny once fed us a oppossum for supper. I’m real special.


71 posted on 10/16/2007 3:08:28 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: esryle

What on earth does this lying, cheating robber understand about church?


73 posted on 10/16/2007 4:30:58 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: TheDon

Mormon and a Liberal Oxymaroon

W


74 posted on 10/16/2007 4:51:09 PM PDT by WLR (Armed Staff on School Campus. Build the Fence, Iran delenda est)
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To: whatisthetruth
John Kerry managed to garner a whole 11% of the votes in Utah County, which includes BYU. The other 89% must have been Gentiles or Mormons out of touch with their true beleifs.
75 posted on 10/16/2007 5:10:49 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Hi Heels

With the ears on? Rich folk got to cut them off before they cooked ‘em.


76 posted on 10/16/2007 7:21:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Coldwater Creek
I wouldn’t want to be a Democrat standing before the Throne!

But, but; we had really GOOD intentions!

77 posted on 10/17/2007 4:58:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mbraynard
 If I were a Mormon I would be pretty frustrated with the current leadership's go-along-get-along attitude.
 
CURRENT!!??
 
 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.


EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us. (Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it. (From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 


 

78 posted on 10/17/2007 5:08:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reagan_fanatic

OOooooh!

Has SOMEone been bad at 63, 64 and 65?


79 posted on 10/17/2007 5:10:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

It’s too bad there isn’t some way we could take a peek at those deleted posts ;)


80 posted on 10/17/2007 5:51:42 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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