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Some rather damning admissions in here... that CR admits they gave Toyotas average or better ratings without any statistical data to back up their predictions....

Also some good news for domestics... They now rate 93% of all Ford/Lincoln/Mercury models as average or better (and that is WITH statistical data to back them up)

FWIW, average is a 3% or lower failure rate

1 posted on 10/16/2007 10:27:27 AM PDT by eraser2005
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Wow, even behind their budget Scion brand huh? I know three people with Scions and each of them has had a lot of problems with them.


2 posted on 10/16/2007 10:28:43 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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How can this be? Toyota having “Q” issues?

Yep, going against the religion again!


3 posted on 10/16/2007 10:29:48 AM PDT by 66-442hot (It isn't smart to kill the golden goose........)
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ping....


4 posted on 10/16/2007 10:32:25 AM PDT by eraser2005
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CR must have discovered that Toyota doesn’t support the Kyoto agreement.


5 posted on 10/16/2007 10:36:43 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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Consumer Reports has about as much credibility as the New York Times itself...where this article appears.

CR hated the 4Runner...one of the best cars I ever owned.

6 posted on 10/16/2007 10:37:10 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out of Qurans)
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¿hecho en mexico?


7 posted on 10/16/2007 10:37:41 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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Some of their domestic Japanese production must be finding its way into the world market.


8 posted on 10/16/2007 10:37:57 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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‘Consumer Reports said it no longer recommends V6 versions of Toyota’s Camry or V8 versions of its Tundra pick-up because of poor reliability. ‘

We get Consumer Reports magazine, and use it when making purchases.

That said, they said the same thing about the Hummer H2 (poor reliability). I own a H2, and thats simply not the case at all. Its the most reliable vehicle I’ve ever owned.

I suspect junk science about global warming is creeping into these evaluations. H2 has a big V8, just like the Tundra.


9 posted on 10/16/2007 10:38:29 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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Interesting. This sort of turns my views upside down on vehicle reliability. Especially the JD Powers survey which shows Buick as more reliable in categories than Toyota or Honda. I’m still very satisfied with my 4 cylinder Camry — and glad I got the 4 cylinder. I tested it a few times and just didn’t think it needed more power so I skipped the 6 cylinder — which is apparently less reliable.


12 posted on 10/16/2007 10:40:19 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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Toyotas were never “rock solid” reliable.. most of that was crap and manipulation. Like Toyota would not issue a formal recall, but do them under different names so it wouldn’t show up in their statitistics when evaluated etc..


13 posted on 10/16/2007 10:40:41 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Interesting. I know a Toyota/Lexus mechanic, and he says that the Camry's V-6 is the worst engine in Toyota's line up, and they use that engine in alot of cars, including the Lexus line.

Consumer Reports ratings should be taken with a grain of salt, however. Its sort of a car rating system for people who dont like/love cars, but they are usually pretty close.

14 posted on 10/16/2007 10:41:30 AM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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I’ve always been suspect of Consumer Reports’s vehicle ratings. From what I’v see they rely on consumer’s feedback on cars not any scientific evidence.
21 posted on 10/16/2007 10:45:30 AM PDT by McGruff (If I can't have Cheney I guess Fred will have to do.)
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I had a mid 1970s Toyota SR-5 pickup. Despite the fact that I maintained it very poorly, it just refused to quit. It was an eyesore but one of the most dependable cars I ever owned. I told myself I''d drive it until the whells fell off. I gave up on that truck dying and wound up giving it away to a friend of mine who needed a running vehicle.

My 1990 Ford Ranger is the same way. It just keeps on getting me where I need to go with complete reliability.

22 posted on 10/16/2007 10:47:27 AM PDT by Drew68
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Also some good news for domestics... They now rate 93% of all Ford/Lincoln/Mercury models as average or better (and that is WITH statistical data to back them up)

Eraser,

Not only is Ford/Lincoln/Mercury in a dead heat in terms of reliability, darn near every they are building is 5 Star in crash testing, including the Mustang Convertible in roll-overs. Their weak link is fuel economy and they are addressing that.

The Ford and GM basing on the freep is getting so old....

Remember the Movie Apollo 13, and the line "Failure is not an Option"? Failure is not an option for Allan Mulally and by extension Ford. Anyone who bets against him, would still place a bet on Sonny Liston vs. some newcomer, this guy, what's his name, Muhammad Ali....

23 posted on 10/16/2007 10:55:30 AM PDT by taildragger
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It wasn't all that long ago that I was predicting a steep decline in Toyota's reliability, and in fact I suggested it might be time to sell any Toyota stock one might have in his/her portfolio.

This was based on one single indicator that I've been using to assess the future performance of an auto company's stock, and it hasn't failed me yet. Anyone who wants my "secret" (admittedly it will seem half-cocked at first) can Freep-mail me.

24 posted on 10/16/2007 10:55:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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Still, the worst Toyota is better than the best Chrysler...


25 posted on 10/16/2007 10:56:04 AM PDT by llevrok (Born a ham and never cured.)
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Still, the worst Toyota is better than the best Chrysler...


26 posted on 10/16/2007 10:56:20 AM PDT by llevrok (Born a ham and never cured.)
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The worst cars I ever owned were early 90’s Fords. I bought a Toyota Corolla and the only thing that ever went wrong with that was a pulley. Now I drive a Honda and have no problems at about 200k.


30 posted on 10/16/2007 11:29:25 AM PDT by TheThinker (Foreign campaign contributions should be criminal. This is not democracy at work.)
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The survey dropped Toyota from first to fifth place - behind Honda, Acura, Scion and Subaru - in average vehicle reliability

Funny... Scion is Toyota, Acura is Honday... thus leaving Subaru the only "other" in the list.

32 posted on 10/16/2007 11:32:10 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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I’ve got the best of two worlds: a reliable Honda Accord, built in Ohio!


36 posted on 10/16/2007 11:38:59 AM PDT by pogo101
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