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If I step outside my conservatism, and to a certain extent, my faith, I am confronted with issues with which I have difficulty grappling. And at the bottom of it all is my belief that Giuliani is the only one that can defeat Hillary.

And for my conscience's sake, I could even decide that a Democrat presidency is a small price to pay to preserve my steadfast loyalty to my principles and beliefs.

But a HILLARY presidency? No. The damage to my country would be too great. In eight years, a Hillary presidency with a Democrat congress could insure that there will never be a Republican government for as long as this nation can endure.

1 posted on 10/15/2007 4:29:49 AM PDT by StatenIsland
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Rudy is not going to beat Hillary. He is too tied to an unpopular war. If you want to beat Hillary, run Ron Paul. He's the only guy in the field who can outflank Hillary on that issue. Just look at the 2006 elections if you want evidece.

BTW, I wouldn't take too much stock in Murdock. He was pushing McCain back in 2000.

103 posted on 10/15/2007 9:31:39 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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Rudy is a gun grabber. The only way I would vote for him is if that alternative is worse...Hillary Clinton. It would be a vote for the lesser of two evils.

Hillary with a Democrat controlled Congress would shred this country.

105 posted on 10/15/2007 9:40:28 AM PDT by Myrddin
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“This “Rudyphobia” ignores three key factors: Giuliani’s pro-family/anti-abortion ideas, his socially conservative mayoral record, and his popularity among churchgoing Republicans.”

1) Rudy IS supportive of Roe Versus Wade. He believes its good Constitutional Law. As a trained attorney he should know better and probably does.

2) Rudy believes the Second Amendment dozes’t protect individual rights to own arms. Again, as an attorney he should know better.

3) Rudy created a “Sanctuary City” for illegal invaders while governor of New York and still does not feel that illegal invaders are a significant issue.

4) Rudy thinks dressing in drag and marching in Gay Pride Parades is perfectly normal. Most Americans still don’t agree.

5) Rudy has a long history of supporting liberal Democrats.
He even campaigned with Bill Clinton to push Clinton’s “anti-crime” package.

The only differences between Rudy and Hillary are two:

1) He calls himself a Republican and she calls herself a Democrat

2) If he gets nominated, or even worse, elected, social conservatives blow any chances of seeing a social conservative in the White House for at least a decade - possibly more.

If this guy gets nominated, God forbid, we ARE better off with Hillary in the White House - if only because we can get another crack at replacing her in four years with a real Republican instead of this New York liberal aberration.

112 posted on 10/15/2007 10:07:24 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: StatenIsland
A vote against hillary is as reasonable an action as a vote for someone else.
113 posted on 10/15/2007 10:10:11 AM PDT by Bob J (sis)
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To: StatenIsland

I agree. Look, The Weekly Standard had an article by Barnes today which told Rudy how to finally deal with the abortion question. National Polls have that issue 11th in importance. We know it is a values question and Christians know also that it is close to the heart of our Lord. Still, the question is really here for the Kingdom of Man not God. We are not electing a Pope or Apostle. We are trying to stop secular liberalism from the Left which will be so horrendous that Rudy will not look bad compared to Her Highness. After all, Rudy could also choose Mike or Fred as Veep if he wins and that would at least give conservatives a better chance to have their agendas in legislation where any Dem win would wipe out any conservative input. Period. That simply is the truth and if Rudy does win, I will support him. In Ca., in fact, I will vote for him in our primary since he could make Hil spend lots of time and dough there.


114 posted on 10/15/2007 10:13:00 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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“It’s Wrong for the Right to be Rudyphobic”

The reason that we are “right” is because we do not support the election of liberals.


115 posted on 10/15/2007 10:13:53 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: StatenIsland

So what it boils down to is that your party and your country are far more important than your God or you religious beliefs?


116 posted on 10/15/2007 10:15:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: StatenIsland
Cross-reference to (and admitted self-promotion for): The Practical Consequences of a "President Rudy Giuliani"
121 posted on 10/15/2007 10:54:10 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: StatenIsland

Deroy Murdock... hopeless shill for Rudy.

The man has no credibilty left with the dribble he has written in the last year.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=deroymurdock


129 posted on 10/15/2007 11:31:50 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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Religious Right leaders should study Giuliani’s entire socially conservative record...

BWAAAAA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!

131 posted on 10/15/2007 11:34:55 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: StatenIsland

Drop dead, Deroy Murdock.


167 posted on 10/15/2007 12:59:40 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: StatenIsland
Ah, I see. I'm supposed to put my imprimatur, by deliberately voting for him/her/it, on a candidate whose political philosophy has no point in common with mine to avoid the election of another whose political philosophy have no point in common with mine?

Just to avoid the label "democrat" in favor of the label "republican" and ignore the actuality of liberalism?

177 posted on 10/15/2007 1:47:13 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: StatenIsland

No Rudy Toot ever.


180 posted on 10/15/2007 3:09:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Hillary can tap Hsus but she can't tuna fish.)
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To: StatenIsland

Mayor Guido Ghouliani is nothing but a Clinton Democrat with an annoying accent. Man, I look forward to Kerick as head of the FBI, Ray Harding as our Secretary of State, and Harvey Fierstein as Secretary of the Posterior, er, interior.


185 posted on 10/15/2007 4:41:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: StatenIsland

I don’t believe a single word Rudy says. Keep trying elsewhere!


202 posted on 10/15/2007 8:12:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: StatenIsland

I’m not “Rudyphobic.”

I just don’t want a RINO as our president.


203 posted on 10/15/2007 8:15:23 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: StatenIsland
Lots of numbers tossed out in the above article.

As some guy named Reagan once quipped, "facts are stubborn things".

- John

208 posted on 10/16/2007 6:02:29 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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But a HILLARY presidency? No. The damage to my country would be too great. In eight years, a Hillary presidency with a Democrat congress could insure that there will never be a Republican government for as long as this nation can endure.

If Republicans pick Rudy in the primaries, then that is exactly what they deserve.

210 posted on 10/16/2007 6:17:13 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: StatenIsland
his socially conservative mayoral record

Wander back to the liberal plantation, DeRoy.This socially conservative record?

Abortion

As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989

Giuliani said in a speech back in 1989: “There must be public funding for abortions for poor women,” Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. “We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion.”

Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.

On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

On Parental notification, Giuliani says he's for it now. But read this excerpt from a New York Times article written last month:

"On a 1997 candidate questionnaire from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League of New York, which Mr. Giuliani completed and signed, he marked ‘yes’ to the question: Would you oppose legislation ‘requiring a minor to obtain permission from a parent or from a court before obtaining an abortion.’”

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

From the FEC database: 04/24/1999 Donations

NEW YORK STATE NARAL INC WOMEN'S HEALTH PAC

NARAL donated exclusively to Democrat candidates with one exception----Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani accepted $1,000 from NARAL in 1999.

NARAL gave $250 to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

NARAL gave $1000---4 times as much-----to pro-abortion Giuliani.

MAYOR GIULIANI COMMEMORATES THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ROE V. WADE SUPREME COURT DECISION

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani today commemorated the 25th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision guaranteeing a woman’s constitutional right to privacy. At a press conference at City Hall, the Mayor was joined by Kelli Conlin, Executive Director of the New York State Affiliate of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL/NY); Irwin Schneiderman, NARAL Foundation Board Chair; Barbara Schack, NARAL/NY Board Chair; State Senator Roy M. Goodman, Council Member Andrew Eristoff; and Assemblyman John Ravitz.

"Twenty five years after the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, its impact is as significant as ever," Mayor Giuliani said. "This decision has precluded government from interfering with a woman’s Constitutional rights. "I take this opportunity to restate the commitment of the Administration to protect women’s right to seek reproductive health advice and services if that is their choice," the Mayor concluded.

Ms. Conlin said, "The 25th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade is an important time to remember the values that define the right to choose, and to applaud New York’s important role in leading the nation in regard to reproductive health. The Roe decision transformed abortion from a criminal act to a legal medical procedure, allowing doctors to provide this important medical service to women, without fear of criminal prosecution. Women were finally spared the humiliation of back alleys, and the fear of death due to unsafe, unsanitary procedures.

Ms. Conlin continued, "New York City has renewed its commitment to reproductive health care for women consistently, most profoundly in 1994 with the enactment of the Clinic Protection Act, which has dramatically reduced the incidence of violence and harassment of women entering health facilities."

With more than 50,000 members, NARAL/NY works in the political arena to protect women’s access to safe reproductive health services, and to expand the reproductive rights available to women.

www.ci.nyc.ny.us

The homosexual agenda

Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989

According to the New York Times, Giuliani has attended every “gay pride” parade in New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual “pride” parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love.

On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993

MAYOR GIULIANI PROCLAIMS JUNE 23rd OUT IN GOVERNMENT DAY NYC.gov ^ | 6/23/99 | rudy giuliani

City Hall Ceremony Salutes Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani this afternoon honored the Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees with a proclamation declaring June 23rd Out in Government Day. Today's ceremony is part of the celebration of June as Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month, which commemorates the 30th anniversary of the Stonewall Rebellion. New York City Tax Appeals Tribunal Commissioner Christopher Lynn accepted the proclamation from the Mayor.

The Mayor also presented Certificates of Recognition to Lew Todd, a member of the New York City Loft Board and a former civilian employee of the New York City Fire Department and Catherine Cotter, Deputy Assistant Chief in Charge of Civil Court for the New York City Law Department, Office of the Corporation Counsel.

"I am proud of all New York City employees who work hard and give their talents and energies so that the most famous City in the world can be a more open and understanding place," Mayor Giuliani said.

"Less than one year ago, in July, I signed into law our City's landmark domestic partnership legislation," the Mayor continued. "As a result, this year's ceremony takes on a new significance, because it codifies into law for the first time that Gay and Lesbian New York City employees and their domestic partners receive equal coverage from the City government. It is in that spirit that today we present this proclamation."

June is Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month in New York City. This year marks the 30th Anniversary of the birth of the gay civil rights movement at the Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village. In recognition of its international renown, earlier this year the Stonewall Inn was placed on the State Registry of Historic Places.

The Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees, founded in 1992, is dedicated to raising the visibility and understanding of gay and lesbian issues, addressing the needs and priorities of lesbian and gay employees and providing social and professional networking opportunities for its members. It is open to all current and former employees of the City of New York in all areas of government, including elected and appointed officials and retirees from City service

218 posted on 10/16/2007 12:51:25 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: StatenIsland
his socially conservative mayoral record

Wander back to the liberal plantation, DeRoy.This socially conservative record?

Abortion

As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989

Giuliani said in a speech back in 1989: “There must be public funding for abortions for poor women,” Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. “We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion.”

Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.

On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

On Parental notification, Giuliani says he's for it now. But read this excerpt from a New York Times article written last month:

"On a 1997 candidate questionnaire from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League of New York, which Mr. Giuliani completed and signed, he marked ‘yes’ to the question: Would you oppose legislation ‘requiring a minor to obtain permission from a parent or from a court before obtaining an abortion.’”

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

From the FEC database: 04/24/1999 Donations

NEW YORK STATE NARAL INC WOMEN'S HEALTH PAC

NARAL donated exclusively to Democrat candidates with one exception----Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani accepted $1,000 from NARAL in 1999.

NARAL gave $250 to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

NARAL gave $1000---4 times as much-----to pro-abortion Giuliani.

MAYOR GIULIANI COMMEMORATES THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ROE V. WADE SUPREME COURT DECISION

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani today commemorated the 25th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision guaranteeing a woman’s constitutional right to privacy. At a press conference at City Hall, the Mayor was joined by Kelli Conlin, Executive Director of the New York State Affiliate of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL/NY); Irwin Schneiderman, NARAL Foundation Board Chair; Barbara Schack, NARAL/NY Board Chair; State Senator Roy M. Goodman, Council Member Andrew Eristoff; and Assemblyman John Ravitz.

"Twenty five years after the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, its impact is as significant as ever," Mayor Giuliani said. "This decision has precluded government from interfering with a woman’s Constitutional rights. "I take this opportunity to restate the commitment of the Administration to protect women’s right to seek reproductive health advice and services if that is their choice," the Mayor concluded.

Ms. Conlin said, "The 25th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade is an important time to remember the values that define the right to choose, and to applaud New York’s important role in leading the nation in regard to reproductive health. The Roe decision transformed abortion from a criminal act to a legal medical procedure, allowing doctors to provide this important medical service to women, without fear of criminal prosecution. Women were finally spared the humiliation of back alleys, and the fear of death due to unsafe, unsanitary procedures.

Ms. Conlin continued, "New York City has renewed its commitment to reproductive health care for women consistently, most profoundly in 1994 with the enactment of the Clinic Protection Act, which has dramatically reduced the incidence of violence and harassment of women entering health facilities."

With more than 50,000 members, NARAL/NY works in the political arena to protect women’s access to safe reproductive health services, and to expand the reproductive rights available to women.

www.ci.nyc.ny.us

The homosexual agenda

Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989

According to the New York Times, Giuliani has attended every “gay pride” parade in New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual “pride” parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love.

On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993

MAYOR GIULIANI PROCLAIMS JUNE 23rd OUT IN GOVERNMENT DAY NYC.gov ^ | 6/23/99 | rudy giuliani

City Hall Ceremony Salutes Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani this afternoon honored the Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees with a proclamation declaring June 23rd Out in Government Day. Today's ceremony is part of the celebration of June as Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month, which commemorates the 30th anniversary of the Stonewall Rebellion. New York City Tax Appeals Tribunal Commissioner Christopher Lynn accepted the proclamation from the Mayor.

The Mayor also presented Certificates of Recognition to Lew Todd, a member of the New York City Loft Board and a former civilian employee of the New York City Fire Department and Catherine Cotter, Deputy Assistant Chief in Charge of Civil Court for the New York City Law Department, Office of the Corporation Counsel.

"I am proud of all New York City employees who work hard and give their talents and energies so that the most famous City in the world can be a more open and understanding place," Mayor Giuliani said.

"Less than one year ago, in July, I signed into law our City's landmark domestic partnership legislation," the Mayor continued. "As a result, this year's ceremony takes on a new significance, because it codifies into law for the first time that Gay and Lesbian New York City employees and their domestic partners receive equal coverage from the City government. It is in that spirit that today we present this proclamation."

June is Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month in New York City. This year marks the 30th Anniversary of the birth of the gay civil rights movement at the Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village. In recognition of its international renown, earlier this year the Stonewall Inn was placed on the State Registry of Historic Places.

The Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees, founded in 1992, is dedicated to raising the visibility and understanding of gay and lesbian issues, addressing the needs and priorities of lesbian and gay employees and providing social and professional networking opportunities for its members. It is open to all current and former employees of the City of New York in all areas of government, including elected and appointed officials and retirees from City service

219 posted on 10/16/2007 12:52:02 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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