On Coulter, Christians, And Jews

American Thinker ^ | October 13, 2007 | Steven M. Warshawsky

[neverdem]

On Donny Deutch's television talk show earlier this week, Ann Coulter honestly answered "yes" when asked by Deutch if she believes that this country "would be better if we were all Christian."  She further stated that Christians "just want Jews to be perfected," i.e., to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.  (The full transcript is here .)

Let the outrage begin!

Deutch, a liberal Jew, accused Coulter of making "hateful" and "anti-Semitic" remarks.

Michael Savage, host of one of the most popular conservative talk radio shows, and also a Jew, likewise accused Coulter of anti-Semitism, and called her a "deranged hag" for good measure.

I must say that Savage's comments surprised me, because he has been one of the strongest voices in recent years against the cult of "political correctness."  And what is Coulter's crime in this case?  Not that she is an anti-Semite.  This is absurd.  I seriously doubt that either Savage or Deutch truly believes that Coulter "hates" Jews.  Rather, Coulter's crime is that she violated one of PC's most sacred taboos:  Expressing belief in the correctness of one's religion.  The only thing worse than this in PC land is asserting the superiority of one's race. 

Well, at least when it comes to white Christians.  For the rules of PC do not apply equally to all.  They do not apply to Jews or blacks or women (except to the extent these groups express "conservative" points of view).  The strictures and penalties of PC only apply to the majority of the American people, as well as to the Founding Fathers who established this great country, and to the many generations of overwhelmingly white Christian Americans who built this nation into the freest, richest, and most powerful country on earth, and defended our country through several bloody wars against its enemies, foreign and domestic. 

The ideology of PC is anti-American to its core.  Its fundamental purpose is not to ensure that "minority" Americans share more fully in the American Dream.  Its goal is to tear apart this nation -- its people, its culture, its history -- root and branch, and replace it with a miasma of atheism, socialism, and multiculturalism.  To see Michael Savage acting the part of PC police is stunning.     

Moreover, for Jews of any political persuasion to take offense at Coulter's comments strikes me as deeply ignorant and immature.  Do Jews truly expect Christians to pretend that they do not believe in the teachings of their religion?  Why?  Because so many Jews have discarded the teachings of their own religion?  (I myself am a secular Jew.)  The "logic" at work here seems to be that, because so many Jews can imagine, along with John Lennon, a world in which "there's no heaven" and "no religion too," it is offensive and outrageous for other folks to disagree with this sanitized vision of the future.  Many Christians, however, still believe in their religion, still believe it is the path to eternal salvation, and fail to appreciate what is so wonderful about the fairy tale world invoked in Lennon's song.  From a PC perspective, this makes them "insensitive" and "bigoted" and "hateful."

I say, thank god that so many Christians in this country still believe in their religion!  That is the only thing that will prevent the violent and tyrannical expansion of the Muslim world.  And that is the only thing that will preserve the existence of the Jewish people.

As a Jew, I recognize, with painful humility, that the existence of my person, my people, lies at the mercy of the larger, stronger peoples in whose midst we live.  To deny this fact is to deny reality.  Not too long ago, the people of Nazi Germany, along with their allies and collaborators, attempted to eradicate the Jewish people once and for all.  The Final Solution they called it.  They nearly succeeded.  But while the Germans and Poles and Dutch and French and the many others who participated in this obscene massacre were Christians, it was not their Christianity that impelled them to these acts.  It was the vicious political ideology of the Nazis.  This is what triggered the Holocaust.

The truth is that the Jews of Europe could not have saved themselves from Hitler's rampage.  Practically every Jew alive today owes his or her existence to the fact that Hitler was defeated by the brave and virtuous troops of the Anglo-American alliance, practically all of whom were Christians too.  Could FDR and Churchill and the rest of the western leaders have done more to help the Jews, both before and during the war?  Perhaps.  (Forget what the Soviets could have done; their moral corruption ran almost as deep as the Nazis'.)  But I refuse to play that despicable blame game.  I simply am grateful for the good people of this country, who made for my grandparents and parents, and now for me, the best home on earth that Jews have ever enjoyed.      

Today, the leaders of Iran -- the most powerful Islamic nation, with aspirations of regional, indeed world, domination -- speak openly of eliminating the state of Israel, i.e., the largest concentration of Jews outside of the United States.  Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has vowed repeatedly to "wipe Israel off the map."  Just this week, the former president of Iran, Hashemi Rafsanjani (often referred to as a "moderate"), commented during a sermon (yes, during a religious service)  that the Nazis "saved" Europe from the evils of Zionism.  In other words, the Nazis did Europe a favor by murdering six million Jews.  Where was the outrage from western leftists?  Where were the screams of protest from liberal Jews?  What will these idiots say when the nuclear bombs start falling on Israel?  Probably that Israel caused it, or could have prevented it, or even deserved it.  The mere existence of the Jewish state will be deemed sufficient justification for its total destruction.  My stomach is sick with the thought of how easily Muslim genocide of Jews will be excused, even by Jews themselves.

Make no mistake, New York City -- i.e., "Jew York City" -- will be next.  Destroy Israel and New York City, and most of the world's remaining Jews will be dead.  When this day comes, a substantial part of the Muslim world will be cheering, just as they cheered the destruction of the World Trade Towers on 9/11.

But measured by the amount of heat and vitriol her comments generated, the real enemy apparently is Ann Coulter.  How dare she assert the truth of her religion?  True or not, I know that Christianity is far preferable to Islam.  Would Donny Deutch and Michael Savage and all of the other critics who are blasting Coulter rather live in a Muslim country?  One does not have to be a scholar of the world's religions (and I am not) to know the answer to that question. 

This is the real choice facing Jews in this country, and even in Israel.  John Lennon's fantasy of universal peace and love and brotherhood does not exist, and never will exist.  The fate of the world's Jews, and Christians for that matter, ultimately depends on the ability and willingness of the Christian West, especially the United States, to prevail in the steadily intensifying struggle we are witnessing across the globe between Islam and Christianity. 

What Deutch and Savage and the other critics fail to understand is that only a Christian people who truly believes in the correctness, indeed superiority, of their religion will be able to win this fight.  A secularized people who believes in nothing but watery principles of tolerance and democracy inevitably will succumb to the combination of violent Islamic intimidation and the "nondiscriminatory" imperatives of their own multicultural worldview.  If sharia ever does come to the United States, I am quite certain that its handmaidens will be atheists and liberals, not believing Christians.

As a Jew living in this great country, I have no doubt who my enemies are, and who are my allies.  And I know to which group Ann Coulter belongs.

Steven M. Warshawsky      

[MK11]

Have you ever even read the Bible? In the NT, there are numerous verses in which the writers explicity state the the Old Testament has passed away and that it is superior (duh!) to the Old one.

[Neu Pragmatist]

Yeah sure .

[Frwy]

Read the Bible. That’s a good place to start.

[MK11]

Let me try that again:

Have you ever even read the Bible? In the NT, there are numerous verses in which the writers explicity state the the Old Covenant has passed away and that it was inferior (duh!) to the new one.

[ari-freedom]

I think I have made it abundantly clear that I think Savage is an idiot.

[Just mythoughts]

Read the Bible. That’s a good place to start.

I have read, continue to read, so much to learn. Now given that I cannot find written what you claim is written. I think maybe somebody else told you the Bible says such and such not that you have ever actually read what you claim it says.

What was that 'old covenant', who exactly was it made with. There were some mighty big IF's required to have that covenant maintained. And since you apparently have not read God Himself D I V O R C E D - yes that is correct divorced Israel and sent her in to captivity to that Assryian king to the 4 corners of this earth. Their punishment would be that the majority of the House of Israel would NOT EVEN know who they are. Now just how do you intend in protecting a covenant with a people who do not even know who they are. Oh and there are some Hebrew scholars that while thy may not like my saying so know darn well what I said is correct.

[Neu Pragmatist]

That doesn’t answer my question. Does that make Savage an anti-Semite because he had Buchanan on his show the SAME night as he was ripping on Coulter ?

People smear Buchanan’s name for no good reason and it is getting old . He has absolutely nothing to do with this and you are engaging in idiotic hyperbole .

Buchanan has helped shape the Conservative movement and accurately called the culture war , immigration, and the sellout of American sovereignty way before anyone else. A man way ahead of the curve on many issues , and definately a man worth defending .

[the808bass]

one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’

So Ann's statement of her opinion of your faith means that you're not "left alone"? Is her opinion that powerful? If so, why? Atheists are on TV every day saying that anyone who believes in God is uneducated and a provincial fool. No one is seriously offended by that. You understand that the atheist is following his/her belief system and go on with your life.

[the808bass]

She wasn’t trying to share. She’s not a pastor. She’s a political pundit. She is giving the impression that Jews are not entirely welcomed as conservatives. As Americans.

Actually, the question she was asked had nothing to do with politics. Donny specified it as such when he asked her. So your assumption is incorrect and ill-informed. You would do well to watch the clip.

[the808bass]

I was a Christian, until the latest passion play was disseminated in 2004, and am knowledgeable of what they say between themselves.

Bwahahahahaha.

Pause.

Bwahahahahahaha.

[ari-freedom]

I don’t have to smear Buchanan’s name. We can all read what he actually wrote and decide for ourselves. He, like Ron Paul and the late Jude Wanniski are “Blame America firsters” with regards to our policy against arab/islamofascism and that doesn’t help us even if they are so strong in their support of other issues.

[ari-freedom]

Is her opinion that powerful? If so, why?
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no but when we’re facing the prospect of Hillary vs Rudy, this is the last thing conservatives need right now

[nathanbedford]

This commentator has got it exactly right. And so has Ann Coulter. Confronted with a moral choice to offend political correctness or abandon her faith, Ann Coulter took the moral choice. Here are two posts which I published a few days ago in the wake of the ADA's piling on after Deutsche's ambush:

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It seems to me that the ADL wants to practice what it preaches that Ann Coulter may not practice: to identify another's theology as inferior.

.Ann Coulter may be a political pundit but she clearly knows very little about religious theology

...While she is entitled to her beliefs, using mainstream media to espouse the idea that Judaism needs to be replaced with Christianity and that each individual Jew is somehow deficient and needs to be "perfected," is rank Christian supersessionism and has been rejected by the Catholic Church and the vast majority of mainstream Christian denominations.

Of course Christians believe the Judaism needs to be replaced with Christianity, otherwise we would not be Christians. Equally, Jews do not believe that they should be converted to Christianity because they believe Christianity is an inferior theology, otherwise they would convert.

.................

What Deutsch did was reprehensible.

Deutsch's scheme was transparent, he intended to build his ratings by introducing controversy. On a deeper level, he sought to discredit and Coulter and by extension Republicans and conservatives by making her appear intolerant. On yet a deeper level, Deutsch was trying to move the goal posts of American discourse.

If you watch the Skirmish on You tube, you will clearly see that Deutsch ambushed Coulter and he did so for the motives outlined above. What do I mean when I say he was trying to move the goalposts of American discourse? It means that Deutsch was trying to establish as the norm is tribe's version of interfaith etiquette as opposed to my tribe's version.

A Christian is biblically mandated to proselytize. A Jew is not, nor is the idea of propagating the faith part of the Jewish tradition. It is certainly part of the Christian and Muslim tradition. For a Christian to decline to witness the "good news" is not just derelict but sinful. This is as much a part of America as Chautauqua and for an Coulter to carry the message on the airwaves-which so antagonized the ADL-is the modern extension of the Chautauqua tradition.

That tradition is not Deutsch's tradition nor is it the tradition of the ADL but they want us to adopt their tradition and forsake our own. To accomplish this goal Deutsch engaged in an ambush and the ADL came on like a jackal. The ADL wants everyone to practice religion their way. And to get their way, they and Deutsch falsely accuse practicing Christians of being intolerant. And Coulter did not, for example, suggest that " Jews are inferior to Christians...." She referred to a biblical doctrine and not to Jews or their "deficiencies", nor is the need for "perfection" limited to Jews. Ann Coulter did not open the discussion rather she several times tried to deflect it but it was Deutsch who repeatedly brought it back to Jews, and to himself, and accused her of the invidious judgments. He put Coulter in a position of having to forsake her faith or break the Deutsch/ADL politically correct taboo.

If Deutsch and the ADL get their way, Christians lose their way, that is, their path to God. Nearly as bad, they would make it illegitimate to practice Christianity. They would make us choose between our doctrine and a new kind of political correctness which says that you must forsake your faith rather than offend.

That is why what Deutsch did was reprehensible.

[neverdem]

The American Thinker was upset about the Ann Coulter brouhaha.

Ann Coulter is Not Helping

My Opinion on Ann Coulter's Opinion of the Jews

The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore’s Carbon Crusade

Sanchez' Message (must read) The second link has the entire Sanchez statement. It's quite a statement. The MSM has done its usual self serving job in not reporting everything.

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

[fish hawk]

So nice to see a Jewish person that really gets it and knows the reality of the situation.

[pawdoggie]

I wrote my station here in KC to ask the program director to pull him off and replace him with Levin.

Mark's already on in KC, just up the dial. I doubt that two stations in the same market will be carrying him at the same time.

[Fawnn]

Judging from some of the comments on this thread, I’d venture that it’s safe to say that a lot of people haven’t bothered to watch the video of the Ann Coulter/Donnie (or whatever his name is) “event.” (The downside is that she’s probably generated more publicity for his show than he’s ever had!) ;)

Unless I missed something, Ann never claimed that Jews could not obtain grace; she just said that Christians don’t have to follow a lot of Old Testament rules to do so.

The PC crowd is constantly proving that “if you don’t believe in something, you’ll fall for anything.”

[familyop]

DEUTSCH: That isn't what I said, but you said I should not -- we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or --

COULTER: Yeah.

...

DEUTSCH: "Let's wipe Israel off the earth." I mean, what, no Jews?

COULTER: No, we think -- we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

Let's try an analogy, Fawnn.

MARY: That isn't what I said, but you said I should not -- we should just throw Christianity away and we should all be Muslims, then, or --

SINBAD: Yeah.

...

MARY: "Let's wipe the USA off the earth." I mean, what, no Christians?

SINBAD: No, we think -- we just want Christians to be perfected, as they say.

[Fawnn]

From what I remember of the video, it appears that you’re cherry-picking quotes.

Do you have a link to the entire transcript?

[RobbyS]

<1>Nature abhors a vacuum, and a society that believes in 'nothing' will be absorbed by a culture that 'believes'. The islamic cult of satan is on the march in Western Europe for precisely this reason. The 'sophisticates' of Western Europe have abandoned their Christian heritage and Islam is filling the void. Be careful for what you wish. You might despise being around believing Christians (because by definition, believing Christians are going to want to 'share'), but you might not like the alternative

You restated his argument nicely. The sophisticates abandoned Christianity more than a century ago, but totalitarian nationalism/racialism was available as an ideology to fill the "spiritual" gap. The two great wars discredited that. Then for many communism was their god. That too failed. All that is left is a kind of welfare stat-ism/ European-ism. All three have in common that the state replaces the church as the source of all value, However, the state has no values that fed the soul. The Christian must think of the moder state pretty much as the Muslim does, as something hollow and spiritually corrupt.