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GLENN BECKHonest Questions with John Hagee (Glenn Beck interview about end times)
CNN.com ^ | October 12, 2007 | Glenn Beck John Hagee

Posted on 10/13/2007 8:34:15 AM PDT by do the dhue

Gleen Beck had Pastor John Hagee on his show last night. They discussed the end times. I think this was one of the best interviews I have seen in a long time. It was very interesting. Did anyone see it? Here is the transscript

(Excerpt) Read more at transcripts.cnn.com ...


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To: processing please hold

You like Jakes? I feel something when I see him on TV.


241 posted on 10/13/2007 5:32:35 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: processing please hold

Hunter supports the massive, intrusive RealID act. I hope you’ll be happy when you can’t even walk into a government building without your chip.


242 posted on 10/13/2007 5:33:43 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: sasportas
Sas, your take is exactly what the 7th Day Adventists preach and they can make a very good argument matching the pre-tribs verse for verse in support of this view. It’s why I haven’t signed on to the pre-trib rapture despite the strength of the Revelation arguments noted above. I’m just not convicted by the Holy Spirit on the rapture, at least not yet.
243 posted on 10/13/2007 5:36:36 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: sasportas
So everyone can read that Christ is to return as a thief in the night. Would that be because the majority thinks He has already come passing out peace and prosperity? What will those two witnesses be preaching in the streets of Jerusalem that would cause the majority on this earth to want them dead?

We are told in Ephesians that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Sounds like the ‘tribulation’ is deception, worshiping a ‘christ’ out of season.

244 posted on 10/13/2007 5:41:43 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: joebuck

Well, I’m not SDA, however, there are some things I agree with them on. And there are other groups who believe the same.

Tim Warner, for instance. Now a post-tribber, but brought up in the Plymouth Brethren, the foremost pretrib group in the world. Check out his website:

http://www.geocities.com/~lasttrumpet/

Lots of good stuff on post-trib there.


245 posted on 10/13/2007 5:48:41 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: dennisw
"No way is Islam the same. Muhammad was a fake prophet and his followers want to subjugate all Christians and Jews"

Muhammad was a false prophet but not a fake prophet. I'm becoming more and more convinced we'll see him again. Maybe with a wound on his head.

246 posted on 10/13/2007 5:51:36 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: sasportas
Okay.

So we've established that the Church is not mentioned in Scripture as being in the Tribulation. That would be very strange on the part of God except there is no need to address something that doesn't exist. If I, as a "pre-tribber" have to offer proof that the church will not be on earth during the Tribulation that would be it, but something tells me that that still wouldn't be enough for you.

Since you are the one who believes that the Rapture is the same event as the Second Coming of Christ to earth to set up His millennial kingdom which does not take place until after the seven-year Tribulation, I believe the burden is on you, not me, to explain the fact that not only is the Church not mentioned anywhere in Scripture as being part of the Tribulation, but the Church is indeed involved in events in Heaven that take place while the Tribulation is happening.

How, for example, does the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, which is described below as taking place in heaven for the "wife" who has "made herself ready"; aka the Bride of Christ, aka the Church, happen if there is no Rapture before the Tribulation? How do you reconcile your denial of that Scripture?

1 After these things I heard* a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God!

5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying, "Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both F100 small and great!" 6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, "Alleluia! F101 For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready." 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. (Revelation 19:1; 19:5-8)

The Marriage Supper of the Lamb takes place in Heaven while the Tribulation is occurring on earth. If the wife of Christ, the Church, is on earth suffering the judgments of God, then how is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb supposed to take place?

You see, sasportas, you simply cannot reconcile your belief in a posttrib Rapture with Scripture. It's that simple, and no amount of denial and twisting will change that fact.

If you have trusted Christ as your Savior, and you want to believe, for whatever reason, that you will be here during the Tribulation to go through the judgment that the haters of God will go through, be my guest.

You simply will not ever convince me that Christians will be here for the Tribulation. There is just too much Scripture that states otherwise. But if it makes you feel good to think you'll be here for that hellish time, go right ahead.

And by the way- I don't have any burden to prove anything. Jesus Christ already did it for me.

247 posted on 10/13/2007 5:58:25 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: do the dhue

Wow! Thanks for posting! I had every intention of watching but something else came up. I appreciate the transcript.


248 posted on 10/13/2007 5:59:12 PM PDT by Shire
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To: joebuck

This thread is separating the men from the boys


249 posted on 10/13/2007 6:09:49 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: nmh

Go to You Tube and look up his speech at AIPAC. It’s in several parts.


250 posted on 10/13/2007 6:10:11 PM PDT by alnick
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I had hoped you wouldn’t take me wrong in saying that pretribbers are the ones who have the burden of proof. I see you have. Sorry.

I didn’t think my explanation was anything to get upset over.

You said something that I hear a lot, i.e. that post-tribbers want to go through the “hellish” (your words) tribulation. I have no desire whatsoever to have to endure these things. But what you don’t understand is it is not what I want - it is what the word of God really says.

Have you stopped to think that that might be what is precisely what is wrong with the pretrib view? They do NOT WANT to have to face these things, therefore they read into the scripture what they want. Not a good thing.

As to your other points, I can answer them, but since I find it easier to refer you to the website I mentioned in my post #245, I refer you there...if you care to go. It is one of the best on the web, in my opinion.


251 posted on 10/13/2007 6:16:03 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: nmh

In the bible, enemies of Israel will not go unpunished. If we stand against Israel, we will face His wrath.


252 posted on 10/13/2007 6:36:32 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: nmh
God has been consistent in REMOVING believers from horrendous punishment. Noah and the Flood are an example. Sodom and Gomorrah is another example etc.. There is no reason NOT to believe He will collect His believers when He returns as Scripture states. Those not raptured or gathered up will suffer extreme wrath.

Exactly! GOD called out Noah before judgment upon the world. GOD called out the nation of Israel out of Egypt as well. Israel was not harmed. Several more things point to pretrib rapture. One is the Hebrew wedding tradition meaning the first and last trumpet blast not to be confused with those in Revelations. The parable of the 10 virgins also points to it. The Book of Revelations points to it Revelation ch 4 points to it also as the Twenty Four Elders are clothed in white and crowns on their head and seated meaning they have passed before believers judgment and this occurs before the Tribulation even begins.

next point is once the agreement is signed between Israel and the anti-christ you can count the literal days till Christ Second Coming. Christ has returned to earth at least twice since his death but their is a significant difference between returning and Second Coming. The return for the Bride {Believers} will be the Last or Second Trumpet announcing Bring forth the Bride as commanded by The Father of the Groom as provision has been made and the home is ready and the Father tells his Son the Groom Bring forth the Bride.

When the church {believers} is called out to the world as we know it people left here still will not know the time of the Second Coming because they did not believe.

253 posted on 10/13/2007 6:38:19 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
"You simply will not ever convince me that Christians will be here for the Tribulation. There is just too much Scripture that states otherwise. But if it makes you feel good to think you'll be here for that hellish time, go right ahead."

Don't be too harsh. There are some legitimate views (I don't agree with) which hold we are already in the tribulation. I get lost in the "pre-Mil", "amill", Pre-trib amill", "Preterist", "Historicist"...blah, blah, mishmash and forget which is which but this view holds the four horses represent four overlapping periods of Church history, just as the 7 Churches do. The white horse is Christ ushering in the Church age. The red horse ushered in the age of war and the world has been in constant war since. The black horse is the period of famine maybe beginning with the mass starvation of Africa, China, Russia and Indochina beginning in say mid 18th Century. The Pale horse is the final age and is the worst (the others have all been continuing and still continue). We may be in the day of the Pale horse under this view, holding it started with the use of atomic weapons.

I don't buy a bit of this but they can make a biblical argument. Under this view the Church is obviously suffering along with everyone else in the tribulation so there is no rapture. Thus there is an eschatology which can rationally exclude a rapture.

For me, too many Pastors and Theologians I respect very much, men who are filled with spirit and know Greek and do their own exegesis straight from the Greek text, come to totally opposite scenarios in their view of eschatology. Preterism has made a big comeback (especially in the academic community) and it's the theory I least agree with. When that many people at the top, go in that many directions, I'm not prepared to say anyone has a handle on it. I take it all in, put it in my back pocket and see how things come along.

254 posted on 10/13/2007 6:39:07 PM PDT by joebuck
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I could be wrong, but I don’t believe the mark of the beast is a micro-chip or anything like that. I believe it is what is in your heart and mind(forehead) and what your actions reveal(right hand).


255 posted on 10/13/2007 6:50:09 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: cva66snipe
One point to add. The Return of Christ points to a time when people are married and given in marriage in other words life as usual as they were in the days of Noah. As a thief in the night. This also doesn’t point to a post trib rapture or return. I think the Return for the Believers and His Second Coming are two different events entirely.
256 posted on 10/13/2007 6:53:40 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: do the dhue

bump


257 posted on 10/13/2007 7:00:26 PM PDT by sport
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To: do the dhue

Thanks! I’ll look into that.


258 posted on 10/13/2007 8:18:41 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON '08)
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To: cva66snipe
One point to add. The Return of Christ points to a time when people are married and given in marriage in other words life as usual as they were in the days of Noah. As a thief in the night. This also doesn’t point to a post trib rapture or return. I think the Return for the Believers and His Second Coming are two different events entirely.

So what was usual regarding marrying and giving in marriage in the days of Noe (Noah)? It is the reason for the flood?

259 posted on 10/13/2007 8:21:03 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: StonyBurk

If you believe the scriptures , God clearly states that the only way to salvation is thru belief in Christ. That is not me judging, it is God’s Word. The Church did not replace God’s covenants with Israel as you now understand. Replacement theology is the result of flawed theological systems. Yet, it is clear that the Jews or anyone else for that matter cannot be saved unless they have faith in Christ as their Savior.
This has nothing to do with my judging anyones salvation, it is clearly stated in scripture.


260 posted on 10/13/2007 8:27:14 PM PDT by caffe (please, no more consensus)
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