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House prices to drop much lower: Greenspan
Reuters ^ | September 21, 2007

Posted on 09/21/2007 5:28:58 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

House prices to drop much lower: Greenspan

Fri Sep 21, 2007

VIENNA (Reuters) - A big overhang of property will bring U.S. house prices down further, but it is too early to say if the economy will plunge into recession, former Federal Reserve chief Alan Greenspan was quoted as saying on Friday.

Greenspan said in an interview with Austrian magazine Format that low interest rates in the past 15 years were to blame for the house price bubble, but that central banks were powerless when they tried to bring it under control.

"It's a difficult situation, there is an enormous overhang on the real estate market," Greenspan was quoted as saying. "Many buildings which just have been finished can't be sold ..."

"So far, prices have dropped only slightly. But it was enough to cause alarm around the world," he said. "Prices are going to fall much lower yet."

"However, it is too early to answer the question about a recession. We simply don't know yet. It depends on how flexibly the economy can react," he said.

Greenspan said deregulation and the introduction of market economies in the former Communist bloc after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 had caused a global boom and a worldwide reduction of interest rates, which both helped fuel the property bubble.

"There is no doubt about the fact that low interest rates for long-term government bonds have caused the real estate bubble in the United States," he said.

"The Federal Reserve began a series of interest rate increases in 2004. We were hoping to bring the speculative excesses in the real estate sector under control. We failed. We tried it again in 2005. Failure," he said.

"Nobody could do anything about it, neither us nor the European Central Bank. We were powerless," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; greenspan; housing; housingbubble; realestate; vulturegram
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To: Always Right

...but it will have to wait until I’m done with dinner—GGG


61 posted on 09/21/2007 7:26:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Hey, we want the Dow to go to 50,000!
Course a jar of Peanut Butter will run ya $69.80!!!

People don’t understand how much equity in the Dow is controlled by “institutional investors” or whatever. That means government. Something like 60% is the figure I heard.

So the Dow is, for all intents and purposes, as false as the housing sector was. The gummint can raise or lower the Dow any time they want, just by tweaking the interest rates, or printing more FRN’s and bidding up the stocks.

Little relation to reality as I see it. But it gives some folks the warm fuzzies.

And I agree, they should not have done any cuts, but they did, they had to, because the speculators on the street had already priced a projected cut in. If the Fed DIDN’T make a cut, the indexes would have fallen through the floor.

I’m just glad I don’t own any stocks. Or commercial paper.


62 posted on 09/21/2007 7:27:56 PM PDT by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: Always Right

A 15,000 Dow with M3 about 50% higher than it is today (which can only be estimated since the fed decided that M3 is something we’d better not see).


63 posted on 09/21/2007 7:31:15 PM PDT by Notary Sojac ("If it ain't broken, fix it 'till it is" - Congress)
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To: Paleo Conservative

According to the article you posted, Greenspan is saying it is not a good time to buy a house cheap, because they are going to get cheaper.

Here in California, houses are anything but “cheap”.


64 posted on 09/21/2007 7:35:05 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: GodGunsGuts

65 posted on 09/21/2007 7:36:47 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: L98Fiero

I don’t think you need a crystal ball. Housing prices always lag behind starts and sales. So when sales soar, prices follow after a while. When sales plunge, prices follow after a while. Sales have plunged over a year ago. Prices didn’t start to plunge until recently. We are just beginning to see the movement down in prices.

Most sellers seem to be adjusting their prices down slowly and gradually, but are still not selling their homes. It remains to be seen what the actual selling prices of all the homes in existing inventory will be. I have seen huge reductions in prices of new homes sold by builders, and this will have an impact on existing home prices, but so far sellers have been reluctant to let their homes go for those prices, or they HAVE TO HAVE more money to come out even.

I don’t think it will take a crystal ball to predict that home prices are still declining overall nation-wide. It is just the natural outcome of a plunge in sales. Sales have fallen off a cliff.


66 posted on 09/21/2007 7:39:42 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: GodGunsGuts

Great! So now it’s time to take the maximum equity out of my house (while it’s still appraised high), keep it until the market crashes, and have enough cash to outright buy a second house...


67 posted on 09/21/2007 7:42:50 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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To: Kimmers
Wonderful, anyone want to buy a home just outside of Indianapolis.....I am selling mine....

I got a friend that recently bought a house, on impulse mostly, with out even really being ready to sell the current one. And this right on the heels of those Charlie Foxtrot tax reassessments. Thought it was crazy then, and even more so now. I can't imagine holding two mortgages for very long in this market.

Good luck on selling your house.

68 posted on 09/21/2007 7:43:54 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

that is true almost everywhere, if you buy a house in 1999 for 80k then in 2005 it is worth 240k the in 2007 it is worth 192k why would someone complain, only a true pessimist would say “I lost 48,000”


69 posted on 09/21/2007 7:49:50 PM PDT by bigjackattack
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To: ridesthemiles
That will decline the revenue that the asshats in Sacramento are spending on any crazy thing they can think of.

Sadly, it won't. Most of the property tax money goes to the counties and cities. The state's funded primarily by income, corporate, and 'use' taxes. The exception would be the schools system.

70 posted on 09/21/2007 8:01:21 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Dubya

Considering Greenspan’s track record for being wrong, I wonder if the housing market is about bottomed out.


71 posted on 09/21/2007 8:06:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I think the housing bubble has more to do with the computer revolution and the boomers coming of financial age than Eastern European economies and the long term bond rate. Greenspan needs to get out more and spend less time sniffing his own butt.

He recently said Hillary wouldn’t be a bad President. I rest my case.


72 posted on 09/21/2007 8:06:51 PM PDT by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: Chode
but the taxes stay the same till the assessor decides the value has gone down...

If the value drops, the mil rate goes up. It's a lose-lose situation for the homeowner.

73 posted on 09/21/2007 8:13:42 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Moonman62
Considering Greenspan’s track record for being wrong, I wonder if the housing market is about bottomed out.

Not if governments are going to keep raising property taxes to squeeze more out of the home owner to pay for their expanding spending.

Indiana just went through a major CF of a reassessment that saw taxes go up 100's of a percent. Houses are on the market all over the place. The market is depressing, and that's just from taxes, and doesn't count all the other economic factors in play.

74 posted on 09/21/2007 8:16:21 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: GodGunsGuts
You’re going to look oftly silly after this whole thing plays out.

That is an oftly silly way to spell awfully.

75 posted on 09/21/2007 9:28:28 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

He may try to shift most of the blame to Bernanke, but I doubt that it would work. The guy will have long painful years ahead. He will die thoroughly discredited.


76 posted on 09/21/2007 9:28:37 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: L98Fiero; GodGunsGuts
“Prices are going to fall much lower yet.”    Man, I wish I had his crystal ball.

The media is crazy about Greenspan's crystal balls but that's their problem.  Of course prices will go much lower, and they'll go much higher too because prices fluctuate.   

Greenspan ignorance shows up in his timing, or lack thereof, like when he whined about "irrational exuberance" at the beginning of years of bull market growth, but all during the dot.com mania all he cared about was that silly killer Y2K scam that was supposed to end all life as we know it.

Sir Alan just isn't all he's cranked up to be.

77 posted on 09/22/2007 5:19:24 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Paleo Conservative

Ah yes, a buyer’s market....

Sounds like it maybe time for more rental houses, need to put those foreclosed folks up somewhere, and I’d be happy to get the rent from them...


78 posted on 09/22/2007 5:32:56 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: djf

Institutional investors are not government run. It means mutual funds, investment firms, banks, etc. PE ratios of stocks in the market are actually very solid right now. As such there is little risk to the downside in a 1-3 year timeframe for now.


79 posted on 09/22/2007 9:01:24 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: Paleo Conservative

If you want to catch a falling knife buy now.


80 posted on 09/22/2007 12:23:48 PM PDT by Pelham (The DREAM Act, amnesty by stealth + chain migration)
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