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Senate votes to ban Mexican trucks
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | Sep. 11, 2007 | Suzanne Gamboa

Posted on 09/11/2007 5:09:04 PM PDT by ruination

WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Tuesday to ban Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways, rekindling a more than decade-old trade dispute with Mexico.

By a 74-24 vote, the Senate approved a proposal by Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., prohibiting the Transportation Department from spending money on a North American Free Trade Agreement pilot program giving Mexican trucks access to U.S. highways.

The proposal is part of a $106 billion transportation and housing spending bill that the Senate hopes to vote on later this week. The House approved a similar provision to Dorgan's in July as part of its version of the transportation spending bill.

Supporters of Dorgan's amendment argued the trucks are not yet proven safe. Opponents said the U.S. is applying tougher standards to Mexican trucks than to Canadian trucks and failing to live up to its NAFTA obligations.

Until last week, Mexican trucks were restricted to driving within a commercial border zone that stretched about 20 miles from the U.S.-Mexican boundary, 75 miles in Arizona. One truck has traveled deep into the U.S. interior as part of the pilot program.

Blocking the trucks would help Democrats curry favor with organized labor, an important ally for the 2008 presidential elections.

"Why the urgency? Why not stand up for the (truck) standards that we've created and developed in this country?" Dorgan asked.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, who drafted a Republican alternative to Dorgan's amendment, said the attempt to block the trucks appeared to be about limiting competition and may amount to discrimination against Mexico.

"I would never allow an unsafe truck on our highways, particularly Texas highways," he said.

Under NAFTA, Mexico can seek retaliation against the U.S. for failing to adhere to the treaty's requirements, including retaining tariffs on goods that the treaty eliminates, said Sidney Weintraub, a professor emeritus at the University of Texas LBJ School of Public Affairs in Austin.

The trucking program allows up to 100 Mexican carriers to send their trucks on U.S. roadways for delivery and pickup of cargo. None can carry hazardous material or haul cargo between U.S. points.

So far, the Department of Transportation has granted a single Mexican carrier, Transportes Olympic, access to U.S. roads after a more than decade-long dispute over the NAFTA provision opening up the roadways.

One of the carrier's trucks crossed the border in Laredo, Texas last week and delivered its cargo in North Carolina on Monday and was expected to return to Mexico late this week after a stop in Decatur, Ala.

The transportation bill is S. 1789.


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To: NapkinUser

all the good FReepocRats are happy


101 posted on 09/11/2007 6:04:55 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Hillary's color is yellow.....how appropriate)
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To: jedward

The lesson free trade has taught us so far, is that there is no job that can be shipped offshore, that shouldn’t be. I just don’t buy into that, even if some think that makes me the biggest democrat on the planet.

I want my next door neighbor to have a job. I woulk like to think foreign nationals will have jobs, but my obligation is to my neighbor first. Sorry, that’s just my take on it.

I want me next door neighbors to have reasoned incomes that will afford them a resonably comfortable life and to support the national community financially.

If we buy into this plan to allow Mexicans to enter our nation, on day one it will displace truckers who used to pick up loads at the border and carry them cross county. Within days it will replace truckers who used to haul loads from the interior of our nation to the border. Within months Mexican truckers would have replaced just about every U.S. trucker in the nation.

I won’t be buying into this great plan.

Ignoring the threats to national security and highway safety for the moment, this isn’t what I want for either my fellow citizen or my nation.


102 posted on 09/11/2007 6:04:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: TomGuy
That list above really makes me queasy.
I support something that Hillary and Obama support?
Scary....
103 posted on 09/11/2007 6:05:42 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: mdefranc

So I went a step aside. You just seemed so “compassionate conservative let’s let everyone in, Americans think they are sooo superior”, I just couldn’t resist.

I know it’s a part of NAFTA, I know our Senators are finally seeing the light, that they are there to do what the people want and they voted against allowing the trucks in. That’s a great country!

I notice you didn’t answer the question. Where was it said as you stated that American’s are superior by birth?


104 posted on 09/11/2007 6:05:52 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Earthdweller

Exactly how was the “sovergnty (sic) of the Country” in imminent peril?


105 posted on 09/11/2007 6:07:35 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: ruination

The bill number appears to be wrong:

00333 11-Sep H.R. 3074 On the Motion to Table S.Amdt. 2811

Agreed to Motion to Table Coburn Amdt. No. 2811; To prohibit the use of funds made available under this Act for bicycle paths so that the funds can be used to improve bridge and road safety.

00332 11-Sep H.R. 3074 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2842 Rejected Cornyn Amdt. No. 2842; To ensure that every motor carrier entering the United States through the cross-border motor carrier demonstration program is inspected and meets all applicable safety standards established for United States commercial motor vehicles.

00331 11-Sep H.R. 3074 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2797 Agreed to Dorgan Amdt. No. 2797; To prohibit the establishment of a program that allows Mexican truck drivers to operate beyond the commercial zones near the Mexican border.

00330 11-Sep H.R. 3074 On the Motion to Table S.Amdt. 2810 Agreed to Motion to Table Coburn Amdt. No. 2810; To prohibit funds appropriated under title I from being used for earmarks until all structurally deficient and functionally obsolete bridges have been repaired, with limited exceptions.

00329 10-Sep H.R. 3074 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2792 Agreed to Murray Amdt. No. 2792; To expand the extension of authority of the Secretary of Transportation and provide additional obligation authority for the highway bridge program.

106 posted on 09/11/2007 6:08:28 PM PDT by Loud Mime (The Democrats next target for "resignation" is General David Petraeus! Air America started 8-28)
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To: mdefranc
"Teamster thugs elated." We should ALL be elated!

I think the unions represent like 5 percent or less of all the truckers out there.

What exactly is the downside of not allowing a bunch of crappy worn-out mexican trucks with drivers we can't understand from driving here and causing accidents?

107 posted on 09/11/2007 6:09:00 PM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: DoughtyOne

You and the other posters that somehow think this bill was a good idea and/or that free trade is some sort of horrible evil need to study basic economics before you make yourselves sound like fools.


108 posted on 09/11/2007 6:09:57 PM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: ruination

It curries favor with Conservative, too.


109 posted on 09/11/2007 6:11:09 PM PDT by dbacks (I forgot to pay the rent on my tagline.)
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To: mdefranc; DoughtyOne
Why oppose competition? Why assume someone born here is of necessity superior to someone not so fortunate as to their birthplace?

When you directed this at the other poster, were you implying or suggesting this is a racial issue?

Lets say there are two drivers that drive trucks, you enter our country making 5 dollars per hour, and the American driver is making $24 per hour with benefits. How exactly is this type of competition good for the American driver?

We know the greedy out there like your low wage peasant salary with no benefits. But how does this help the American driver?

110 posted on 09/11/2007 6:11:19 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ruination
In recent years, the Teamsters have supported Republican candidates including Ronald Reagan and President Bush (the first President Bush).

This is indeed good news. Now there’s much more work to do to stop this invasion and hopefully soon, we’ll have a President who gets it because the current one sure doesn't.

111 posted on 09/11/2007 6:11:43 PM PDT by Cagey (Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.......Thoreau)
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To: HoosierHawk
No, it's not true.
And, outside of the border States, where there is some empathy for the drivers, these guys will have every cavity and corner poked, prodded, and peeped into when they come through a weigh station.
The guys (and gals) who are the legs of the DOT aren't any too happy about them coming in, either.

The general rules are:
Steer axles=12k
Drive axles=34k in combination
Tandem axles=34k in combination.
Spread Tandems (10')=40k in combination


These are Federal regs, some exemptions do apply. States can, and do, have differing regs, with the Feds as a minimum.
More info on weight regs is HERE
112 posted on 09/11/2007 6:11:44 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
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To: mdefranc

Smith and others may have refuted it in theory, but it seems like many nations today are still practicing it with great success even though they have signed many trade agreements to do away with it.

Paper for trade agreements is cheap. Currency for manipulation costs real money.


113 posted on 09/11/2007 6:12:45 PM PDT by oceanagirl
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To: DoughtyOne
Well stated.

Sovereignty is not a partisan issue unless we are fighting a global socialist movement that wants to wipe out borders.....oh wait.

I realize the world is going global but I was under the impression that our Republican globalists respect sovereignty.

114 posted on 09/11/2007 6:13:23 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Certain Democrats are completely shaming the GOP on some issues, like this and Ramos and Compean.


115 posted on 09/11/2007 6:13:57 PM PDT by oakcon
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To: mdefranc
If you don’t understand how allowing anyone and everyone to enter the country effects sovereignty....I can’t help you.
116 posted on 09/11/2007 6:15:45 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: papasmurf
This whole mess is only to serve the interests of big, and I do mean BIG, business and the inevitable corruption that will follow.

Guess what the reaction to the corruption will be......more government.

How about an International Department of Transportation.(which would need to be funded somehow)

More invasive and time consuming searches of all trucks (U.S. and Mexican - we can't DISCRIMINATE)

Then also remember we will need lobbyists to "help" the elected officials decide which companies should be scrutinized more than others.

In the end we will get more government regulation of everything BUT criminals.

Big business loves Big Government and Big Government loves Big Business.

117 posted on 09/11/2007 6:16:01 PM PDT by nitzy (globalism and limited government cannot co-exist)
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To: dragnet2
Lets say there are two drivers that drive trucks, you enter our country making 5 dollars per hour, and the American driver is making $24 per hour with benefits. How exactly is this type of competition good for the American driver?

It's called comparative advantage. Basically no one person or nation can do everything more efficiently than another person or nation. Therefore by trading it allows one nation to do what it can do more efficiently while allowing the other nation to do what it does better. Of course, the American trucker may be worse off, that is unfortunate, but American society is made better off by the trade between nations. American workers can then focus on what it does more efficiently.

118 posted on 09/11/2007 6:16:39 PM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: jedward

Yeah, the title I entered was just the article title alone. Some unknown admin added the commentary.


119 posted on 09/11/2007 6:16:50 PM PDT by ruination
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To: ozarkgirl

I try to comprehend protectionist motives. A raw “superior by birth” seems to motivate much protectionist sentiment.


120 posted on 09/11/2007 6:19:17 PM PDT by mdefranc
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