Posted on 09/09/2007 7:53:44 AM PDT by grundle
For obvious reasons, scientists long have thought that salt water couldn't be burned.
So when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it a was a hoax.
John Kanzius, a Washington County native, tried to desalinate seawater with a generator he developed to treat cancer, and it caused a flash in the test tube.
Within days, he had the salt water in the test tube burning like a candle, as long as it was exposed to radio frequencies.
His discovery has spawned scientific interest in using the world's most abundant substance as clean fuel, among other uses.
Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, held a demonstration last week at the university's Materials Research Laboratory in State College, to confirm what he'd witnessed weeks before in an Erie lab.
"It's true, it works," Dr. Roy said. "Everyone told me, 'Rustum, don't be fooled. He put electrodes in there.' "
But there are no electrodes and no gimmicks, he said.
Dr. Roy said the salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances. The radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the constituents of salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen -- and releases the hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when exposed to the RF energy field. Mr. Kanzius said an independent source measured the flame's temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, reflecting an enormous energy output.
As such, Dr. Roy, a founding member of the Materials Research Laboratory and expert in water structure, said Mr. Kanzius' discovery represents "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years."
But researching its potential will take time and money, he said. One immediate question is energy efficiency: The energy the RF generator uses vs. the energy output from burning hydrogen.
(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...
I think we can safely say that discoveries will still be made in the future. It’s my opinion, unlike yours, that we may even make discoveries in the very area we are discussing today, and that some of them may not comply with prior understandings.
Thanks for your response.
And your contnetion is.... statins are a hoax?
I guess we will never agree.
No, but they surely are being hyped aggressively.
I’m sure we agree on a good many things. For instance I can agree that it is highly unlikely this theory or divice works. I can also agree folks should withhold funds until this theory is publicly revealed and receives a favorable evaluation, or a small mock-up is shown to work and receives favorable evaluation.
I just don’t like to see ideas slammed out of the box, or in this instance before they are taken out of the box.
I can understand where naysayers are coming from.
Thanks for your response.
My previous email was not specifically directed toward you. It’s just that your email was the last one I read prior to hitting “post reply.”
If we can find a catalyst, just as enzymes work in the body to allow chemical reactions without the otherwise required conditions, possibly a transformation of the stored energy in H2O can be released. I agree with the laws of thermodynamics. But I also believe in gravity. The old theory that the earth had to be flat or people would fall off, just doesn’t hold water. We tend to be too limited in our perspective and need to think outside the box.
My work in the field of cognitive neuroscience gets me in the same predicament. My research is focused in wave theory as a consciousness field around the human body, specifically as it relates to memory storage and retrieval. When I do demonstrations, people call me a mystic as they think it is beyond science. But they see the results with their own eyes. To me, a miracle is merely science we don’t understand yet. Science is the process of understanding God. Focusing on God is like climbing a fire tower to see the forest. Our perspective is so much greater the higher we go.
Let me put it this way. To generate RF, you have to have an harmonic circuit such as a coil possibly coupled to another coil that is the antena. You put in the correct A/C (modulated if you want information over the carrier wave) into the correctly tuned coil. The RF energy is the result of the coil’s inductance being the same as the frequency of the A/C pumping it. You then get an RF wave that can be picked up by another coil/antenna and you can get the A/C signal back.
Pardon my oversimplified scenario but A/C energy and RF are related. You could probably inject the A/C signal driving the RF being injected into the salt water and it would probably work without the loss of the conversion to RF.
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Thank you.
Some nights I have this marvelous dream, I’m walking downhill and the hill gets steeper and deepens into a valley or even a city street or boulevard and my feet get lighter with each step I take as my stride lengthens until my feet feel like little balls of air; and then, effortlessly I lift my feet just so and glide silently and surely as though I were on rails.
Directing my movement with but a lean here and a tip there I glide until the panorama before me settles in to a closed space, lacking form at first, but defined by walls as I approach and the disappointment in my realization that the ride is over always ends the same way - I awake and wonder where it was I was going and possessed with a sadness so overwhelming as to dissuade me of falling back asleep again.
Other nights I struggle and strain to run away from a danger certain on legs that suddenly have become as lead, and dread sets in, followed by a strange and unwelcome peace - and again I awake.
Some nights I stay awake all night and remember nothing.
Whose this guy’s agent?
All same thing GI. Electromagnetic radiation has many frequencies ~ RF, visible light and 60 cycle electricity are merely manifestations of the same phenomenon.
Man’s gotta’ eat ~ there is, after all, a limited demand for artificial hearts ~
Every time I read one it makes me think again about an energy-saving device that I friend of mine thought up, and I get a big laugh, all over again.
The microwave space heater.
Just think of the possible efficiencies, how much less energy would be wasted because ...
And a big shout out to my friend Sam Ulin, wherever he is these days!
Yes, it’s certainly not a pure hydrogen flame. Trying to stick to the concept, you might suppose the yellow is due to sodium flame spectrum, but how would the sodium be expelled?
In the Youtube video I watched, his patter did not involve electrolysis. He said something about “heating”. In that demo, he stuck a paper towel in the tube, then later withdrew it to show it wasn’t necessary. Hmmm. In another of the videos he put a fluorescent tube in the RF field to show how it glowed.
I wonder if the “flame” is an analogous discharge phenomenon. Something funny is going on! I feel certain electrolysis of H2O is not the principal effect, if it’s involved at all.
Except for one snag. With this pocess, you can not separate the hydrogen from the process of separation-ignition. The heat that disassociates the water molecules also ignites the hydrogen.
It takes far more heat (energy) to separate water than it does to ignite the hydrogen. This process isn't new except for the idea that this guy is using microwaves to pump enough energy into the water... far more that he will get from burning the hydrogen.
Eventually, this guy will fade away and at some point in the future, some will blame "big oil" for hushing his discovery.
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