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China offers to sell military choppers to the Philippines
Reuters ^ | 05 Sep 2007

Posted on 09/08/2007 4:28:39 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

REFILE-China offers to sell military choppers to Manila

05 Sep 2007 09:11:46 GMT Source: Reuters

MANILA, Sept 5 (Reuters) - China has offered to sell 8 utility helicopters to the Philippine military as it seeks to replace its Vietnam War-era aircraft, a Philippine air force official said on Wednesday.

Defence ties between China and the Philippines -- a longtime U.S. ally -- have grown steadily since 2004 when the two sides launched an annual security dialogue.

Beijing has since donated $2.5 million worth of engineering equipment to the military to help it carry out development projects in areas where communist and Muslim rebels operate. On Monday it promised another $2 million in military aid.

An air force officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Beijing had invited them to evaluate its tear-shaped bodied Z9 series utility helicopters manufactured by the Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Company.

"We have a team of pilots evaluating the Chinese-made Z9 series helicopters in Harbin," an airforce general, who declined to be named, told Reuters. "We're also looking at another type of aircraft that China was offering to sell at cheaper prices."

The Philippines has 40 helicopters, mostly second-hand, donated by the United States as part of military assistance to fight communist rebels and Islamic militants in the south of the mainly Roman Catholic country.

Manila has set aside 3 billion pesos for new utility helicopters.

The government is also looking at buying up to 8 attack helicopters at a cost of 1.2 billion pesos ($25.8 million) and opened bids on Wednesday.

Boeing Co's McDonnell Douglas unit, Agusta Westland of Italy and a state-owned company from Poland are bidding for the attack helicopter contract. The winner will be announced within the week.

In January, President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo promised to spend 5 billion pesos on new helicopters to replace the military's ageing fleet of UH-1H and Bell choppers.

Two helicopters have been lost in recent accidents, including one in April when a chopper on a training flight hit a motorcycle in the central Philippines, killing nine people.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; armsbuildup; asia; china; choppers; eastasia; philippines; seasia; southeastasia; z8
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1 posted on 09/08/2007 4:28:43 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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including one in April when a chopper on a training flight hit a motorcycle in the central Philippines, killing nine people.

Wonder if that pilot used to drive a Jeepney in Olongapo.

2 posted on 09/08/2007 5:40:12 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What are these like? Are they fit for purpose?

Given that their enemies aren’t the best equipped, I can see why the US/Euro ones which may be better but are normally more expensive are not their preferred option. As long as they can do the job.


3 posted on 09/08/2007 5:41:42 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Defence ties between China and the Philippines -- a longtime U.S. ally -- have grown steadily since 2004

I thought there were tensions between China and the Philippines over the Spratly islands. If I recall, they even fired upon each other.

Did China ever dismantle their "research" center?

Is the Philippines sucking-up to China out of fear or do they just care about getting it cheap?

The Philippines has 40 helicopters, mostly second-hand, donated by the United States as part of military assistance

The US gave them 40 helicopters and it hasn't created enough goodwill for them to exclude other countries when purchasing 8 more helicopters. What's up with that?

4 posted on 09/08/2007 6:22:30 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Heathens probably don’t even have a “Jesus Nut” on ‘em
5 posted on 09/08/2007 6:30:06 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; Constitutionalist Conservative; Gator113; Zhang Fei; DanielLongo; Tamar1973; ...
On the one hand, cheap--which is useful for a poor country.

On the other hand, will they break down in the air, or after a few flights?

6 posted on 09/08/2007 6:47:02 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Robe
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What?

Who are the heathens you are referring to?

The Chinese who are heavily atheist, but have one of the largest Christian populations on Earth?

Or the Filipinos, who are roughly 85% Roman Catholic and 10% Protestant (including a J.W.-ish sect)?

7 posted on 09/08/2007 6:50:26 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; Constitutionalist Conservative; Gator113; Zhang Fei; DanielLongo; Tamar1973; ...

Asia pinglist ping.


8 posted on 09/08/2007 6:51:31 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Hey, these choppers were rejected by Toys-R-Us!

LOL.

The Red China hegemony proceeds apace. Japan has to be released from its constitutional restriction not to produce weapons of war for export. Japan could be producing choppers that would make these Red China clunkers look like dinosaurs.

9 posted on 09/08/2007 7:05:18 AM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Androcles

It’s a license copy of the French Dauphin helicopter,the others users of which include the US Coast Guard.Pretty neat utility & light attack helicopter.And as mentioned it’s cheap.


10 posted on 09/08/2007 7:32:18 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Well I guess if you have to explain your joke it’s not a joke..
A “Jesus Nut” is the large nut that holds the rotor hub to the engine shaft..it was a rotor head joke
11 posted on 09/08/2007 7:34:07 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe
Ahhhh.....

Appreciated.

12 posted on 09/08/2007 7:43:20 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Robe

We called it the “Jesus Bolt.” Ah, the memories...


13 posted on 09/08/2007 10:05:06 AM PDT by CDB (Michael Yon is the Ernie Pyle of the War on Terror)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Just keep the paint job, away from the little kaibigans.


14 posted on 09/08/2007 10:08:46 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Communist China: Walmart's answer to that pesky 13th Amendment.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Very risky, since the Philippines' most likely opponent is China. (How do you get parts from China in the middle of a shooting war?) I guess they're relying on Uncle Sam to fight off a full-scale Chinese invasion attempt. But what if the Chinese are slowly nibbling away at its seven thousand islands?

I suspect a deal with China also involves more room for kickbacks to Filipino leaders. I would express sympathy for the Filipino people, except for the fact that they voted these crooks in.

15 posted on 09/08/2007 2:46:26 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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