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Tasmanian Tiger No Match For Dingo
Science Daily ^ | 9-5-2007 | University of New South Wales

Posted on 09/05/2007 1:55:54 PM PDT by blam

Source: University of New South Wales
Date: September 5, 2007

Tasmanian Tiger No Match For Dingo

Science Daily — The wily dingo out-competed the much larger marsupial thylacine by being better built anatomically to resist the "mechanical stresses" associated with killing large prey, say Australian scientists.

Despite being armed with a more powerful and efficient bite and having larger energy needs than the dingo, the thylacine was restricted to eating relatively small prey while the dingo's stronger head and neck anatomy allowed it to subdue large prey as well.

Earlier studies had given ambiguous results regarding the size of prey favoured by the thylacine, and had suggested that changes in mainland Aboriginal culture may have driven its extinction 3,000 years ago in mainland Australia.

This new conclusion, published today in Proceedings B of the Royal Society, is based on sophisticated computer simulations revealing bite forces and stress patterns applying to dingo and thylacine skull specimens.

A team led by UNSW palaeontologist Stephen Wroe, along with Karen Moreno (UNSW) and University of Newcastle colleagues, Colin McHenry and Philip Clausen, conducted the research.

The simulations illustrate mechanical stresses and strains applying to the skull, jaw, teeth and cranial muscles of both animals across a range of biting, tearing and shaking motions that simulate the impact of controlling and killing a struggling prey.

Engineers use the same methodology -- known as finite element analysis -- to predict distortion and "failure" in load-bearing materials, such as metal in the body and wings of an airplane.

The researchers applied this technique to test the hypothesis that the dingo would have substantially overlapped with the thylacine regarding its choice of favourite prey.

Their results demonstrated considerable similarity between the two species, but also informative differences.

"The thylacine has a greater bite force than the dingo but its skull becomes more stressed than the dingo under conditions that simulate the influence of struggling prey," says Dr Wroe, who believes the bigger marsupial took downsized, relatively small prey despite its big energy requirements.

"If the thylacine had been better able to hunt large prey, such as adult kangaroos and emus, as well as smaller species, then it would have faced less competition from the smaller dingo," says Dr Wroe.

As well, the dingo may have enjoyed a competitive edge by having a social structure that enabled it to hunt in packs, whereas the thylacine was a lone hunter.

The findings add to a complex picture of how and why the thylacine became extinct after millions of years of successful survival in Australia. Its extinction on the continent's mainland has also been linked to climate change and a shift in Aboriginal land-use patterns about the same time as the introduction of the dingo.

The unique carnivore then persisted only on the island of Tasmania -- which was free of dingoes -- until the arrival of European settlers, who persecuted it believing it to be a wolf-like creature that killed sheep.

Kept as pets, exported to zoos, killed by farmers and hunters, the pre-European thylacine population of around 5,000 was also pressured by government bounties: records reveal that 2,000 bounties were paid in the period the period 1888-1912.

Like the dingo, the settlers competed with the thylacine's food base by hunting small animals and reducing their numbers through ecological and environmental impacts. The last known individual died in a Tasmanian zoo in 1936.

"As a large dedicated flesh eater reliant on relatively small prey, the thylacine may have been particularly vulnerable, not only to food competition with the dingo -- but also to the destructive influence of the first Europeans in Australia", Dr Wroe says.

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by University of New South Wales.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dingo; dog; godsgravesglyphs; tasmanian; thylacine; tiger

1 posted on 09/05/2007 1:55:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Tasmanian Tiger

2 posted on 09/05/2007 1:57:06 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
The Dixie Dingo

"Genetic (mitochondrial DNA) testing being performed at the University of South Carolina, College of Science and Mathematics, indicates that these dogs, related to the earliest domesticated dogs, are the remnant descendants of the feral pariah canids who came across the Bering land mass 8,000 to 11,000 years ago as hunting companions to the ancestors of the Native Americans."

3 posted on 09/05/2007 1:59:19 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

The Dingo ate yo' baby...

4 posted on 09/05/2007 1:59:53 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: blam

The dingo was anyway a more advanced mammal, and not a marsupial. I guess they must’ve been equipped with better brains as well.


5 posted on 09/05/2007 2:00:10 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: pgyanke

good episode...


6 posted on 09/05/2007 2:03:55 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: blam; Angelas; presidio9; Idisarthur; Hegemony Cricket; A knight without armor; new cruelty; ...

7 posted on 09/05/2007 2:04:04 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

One imagines that the far more intelligent dingo suffered existential angst as it brought down red kangaroos with abandon.


8 posted on 09/05/2007 2:17:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CarrotAndStick
I guess they must’ve been equipped with better brains as well.

It is incorrect to talk about the dingo in the past tense.

9 posted on 09/05/2007 2:22:39 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (A person who does not want the best for America)
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To: blam

I thought for a minute Micheal Vick had set up shot down under.


10 posted on 09/05/2007 2:29:11 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: blam

anyone can come up with some kind of explanation after the fact...


11 posted on 09/05/2007 3:30:01 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: muawiyah
One imagines that the far more intelligent dingo suffered existential angst as it brought down red kangaroos with abandon.

According to aboriginal mythology, it is not the killing of kangaroos which creates such angst in the dingo:

From http://www.janesoceania.com/australia_aboriginal_mythology1/index1.htm

Giant dogs The mythology of giant dogs is found all across Australia and there is one story from the far north of Australia. Mornington Island off Cape York peninsula which has been related by Dick Roughsey of the Lardil people. He published a children's version of the same myth under the title The Giant Devil Dingo. Dick Roughsey related how the dog came west to Cape York and Mornington Island and said that there were two dog Dreamings, one on Mornington Island itself and the other on the smaller Denhan Island. His version differs from the myth found on the mainland.

In Dick Roughsey's version, an old grasshopper woman, Eelgin, came from the west with the giant dog Gaiya. They both hunted humankind for food. Once when Gaiya was out hunting two young men, butcherbird brothers came to the old woman's camp. They spoke to Eelgin, before becoming alarmed and running off. Gaiya returned and the old woman sent him after the two butcher-bird brothers. He followed their tracks, loping after them with giant strides, across Cape York peninsula, drawing nearer and nearer. 

Finally the butcherbirds decided to ambush the giant dog at a place called Bulinmore, a big rocky pass through the hills. The dog came along and behind him came the old grasshopper woman, hobbling along with a stick. The butcherbirds began spearing Giaya and kept on until he was dead. They then called for all the people of the country to come and have a meal of cooked dog, then cut off the tip of his tail (in which his spirit resided) and sent it back to the old woman. The angry spirit bit Eelgin on the nose before the butcherbirds came down and killed her. they then sent her spirit to a place near Barrow Point, where she became a large rock. The marks that Gaiya's spirit made when biting her can be seen on the noses of all grasshoppers. The body of the giant dog was divided up and the shaman, Woodbarl the white cloud, asked for the kidneys, the head and all the bones. Later he took the bones and also the skin to the top of a mountain where he made two small dogs which would be friends of humanity.

In the mainland version, as related by Tulo Gordon of the "Giuugu Yamidhirr people, the butcherbird brothers are replaced by the two magpie brothers and the old woman is replaced by a carpet snake, and thus connects up with the Melatji dog myths across the continent in the Kimberley region of Western Australia. The magpie brothers do not kill the giant dog or the carpet snake, but simply forbid them to kill human beings. the lonesome howl of the dingo is a cry of repentance for the killing and eating of human beings.

12 posted on 09/05/2007 3:38:01 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: ari-freedom
"anyone can come up with some kind of explanation after the fact..."

What it really shows is that 'survivial of the fittest' *as practiced* results in *reduced* variety of species. The 'most fit' will out-compete many other species out of their environment.

Not supportive of evolution, as observed, rather than 'as imagined'.

13 posted on 09/05/2007 3:47:16 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan

So what’s your Biblical explanation for this?

Have you got one?


14 posted on 09/05/2007 4:43:57 PM PDT by Right2BareArms
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To: beezdotcom

Very good response ~ quite informative ~ any noaide would be proud of having that one to relate!


15 posted on 09/05/2007 5:17:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GourmetDan

my point is that survival of the fittest is a vacuous concept. If in fact the story was reversed and the tasmanian tiger survived and the dingo went extinct, the same scientists would easily come up with another explanation why that was the case. Obviously whatever survived must be the fittest but what does it mean to be fit? If ‘fitness’ can only be determined after the fact then it is not a scientific concept.


16 posted on 09/05/2007 7:01:35 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom
Obviously whatever survived must be the fittest but what does it mean to be fit? If ‘fitness’ can only be determined after the fact then it is not a scientific concept.

It's the idea that the fit survive that is absolute in biology, not a fixed definition of what it means to be fit. It's merely a declaration that the better adapted you are to an environment, the better you do. It says nothing, one way or another, about interspecies evolution.
17 posted on 09/05/2007 10:56:31 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: muawiyah
Very good response ~ quite informative ~ any noaide would be proud of having that one to relate!

Yeah, well, I figured I'd do a little more heavy lifting than merely making the easy Seinfeld reference... ;-)
18 posted on 09/06/2007 2:22:54 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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