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The Endangered Species Act Out of Control
Fox News ^ | August 31, 2007 | John Lott and Sonya Jones

Posted on 08/31/2007 11:04:47 AM PDT by republicpictures

Is a salmon born in a hatchery a different species from the same salmon born in the wild?

It is hard to believe, but recent Federal court rulings are claiming that otherwise genetically identical fish are separate species, forcing an appeal being announced recently to the 9th Circuit Court.

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These decisions will dramatically affect a lot of people living in the Pacific Northwest. Protecting the salmon will make water much more difficult to obtain, and, without irrigation permits, many farmers and ranchers will have to stop watering their crops and livestock. Large areas of private property will have to be set aside for any species listed as threatened or endangered. The commercial and recreational fishing industries in the Northwest, which generate more than $2 billion annually, will also be affected.

Promoting the survival of salmon is a worthy goal, but does it really matter if a fish’s ancestors are from a hatchery or are naturally spawned? As it is, many so-called "wild" or naturally spawned salmon were all but gone and brought back through the use of hatcheries. Given that hatcheries have been around for over a hundred years, it's likely that all naturally spawned salmon have at least some hatchery-spawned ancestors....

John R. Lott, Jr. is the author of "Freedomnomics" and a senior research scholar at the University of Maryland. Sonya D. Jones, an attorney for the Pacific Legal Foundation, is representing the appellants in Judge Coughenour’s decision.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: johnlott; sonyajones
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1 posted on 08/31/2007 11:04:49 AM PDT by republicpictures
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To: SierraWasp; calcowgirl; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie

bump/ping


2 posted on 08/31/2007 11:06:11 AM PDT by republicpictures
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To: republicpictures

This has already happened in parts of Washington and Oregon. Farmers put out of business because of the need for water for the fish. It goes on in Colorado also. Just ask some of the ranchers that have had their wells shut down. Some of those wells are over a 100 years old.


3 posted on 08/31/2007 11:09:08 AM PDT by RC2
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To: republicpictures

So people born in hospitals are a different species than those born in straw huts in Africa?.................


4 posted on 08/31/2007 11:10:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: republicpictures

So people born in hospitals are a different species than those born in straw huts in Africa?.................


5 posted on 08/31/2007 11:10:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: republicpictures
The Endangered Species Act Out of Control

As with all legislation based on the New Deal "substantial effects" doctrine, there never was any "control".

To quote Clarence Thomas - "The substantial effects test is no test at all. It is a blank check."

6 posted on 08/31/2007 11:11:58 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RC2

How can the federal government shut down a well on private property?.....


7 posted on 08/31/2007 11:14:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: republicpictures; Red Badger; SierraWasp; calcowgirl; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie
the Endangered Species Act has ALWAYS Been Out of Control
8 posted on 08/31/2007 11:23:53 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: republicpictures

No need to take water from the salmon rivers; it can easily be obtained by (1) building a huge nuke power plant and (2) using the power to desalinate sea water.

Wouldn’t THAT make liberal heads spin!


9 posted on 08/31/2007 11:35:18 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: republicpictures

They could always buy ‘salmon offsets’.


10 posted on 08/31/2007 11:44:50 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: BOBTHENAILER; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan

Yeah, well, Former Congressman Richard Pombo of Tracy, CA tried to revise it and tweak it toward a little commonsense and the Dems targeted him during the ‘06 Repub bashing election and got him voted off the island!!!


11 posted on 08/31/2007 11:53:01 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Thou shalt not steal!!! Our greedy governments in Sacramento and Washington hate competition!!!)
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To: republicpictures
About 200 years ago, a man named Seth Green of Rochester, NY began his fish hatcheries. His dream was that everyone could afford to buy fish. Many of these hatches were shipped to the west coast to propogate further. We still stock the Great Lakes today. Same fish...different day.

Many people think that these fish farms are something new because they simply don't know the history.

12 posted on 08/31/2007 12:11:23 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: republicpictures
An oldie but a goodie on ESA "Reform".
13 posted on 08/31/2007 12:13:24 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Red Badger

“How can the federal government shut down a well on private property?.....”

Just who do you think owns your property?


14 posted on 08/31/2007 12:50:10 PM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Khepera

Me (as long as I pay my taxes) and the mortgage holder (as long as I pay my monthly payments).............


15 posted on 08/31/2007 12:54:57 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Red Badger

Some will hold that you don’t own the land but only own the rights to it.


16 posted on 08/31/2007 1:12:26 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: Red Badger

Ok so your mortgage holder is allowing you to pay big bucks so that you can pay taxes on your property for the rest of your life. Sounds to me like the government only rents you the property and the mortgage holder charges you a lot of interest on the money you borrowed from them to pay the last “Owner” for the privilege of renting it from the government.


17 posted on 08/31/2007 1:14:01 PM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: 1FreeAmerican

All land belongs to the Crown. But the Crown cannot eat land.......


18 posted on 08/31/2007 1:14:22 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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The total of my mortgage payments will be less than what the property is worth now...........


19 posted on 08/31/2007 1:16:17 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: republicpictures

This is nuttier than one might imagine. The hatcheries spawn them then let then free. They go out to sea for years and eventually come back to where they were born. I can’t see where they differ from wild salmon. Are they tattooed by the hatchery?


20 posted on 08/31/2007 1:18:54 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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