Posted on 08/30/2007 2:48:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
This sad situation is clearly an example of the entrapment and coersion to which we all could fall victim to. To wit:
"Okay. So we'll start over, you're gonna get out of here. You're gonna have to pay a fine and that will be it. Okay. I don't call media, I don't do any of that type of crap."
And: "All right. I, I know I can bring you to jail, but that's not my goal here, okay?"
And: "I will say every person I've had so far has told me the truth. We've been respectful to each other and then they've gone on their way. And I've never had to bring anybody to jail because everybody's been truthful to me."< The threats were there re: the media and jail.
Could anyone believe the cop's assertion that "every person I've had so far has told me the truth," and that "We've been respectful to each other and then they've gone on their way. And I've never had to bring anybody to jail because everybody's been truthful to me." The man has led a charmed life or reminds people of their parish priest.
And Craig said nothing that was contradictory, and he seemed to not understand the questions asked in the twisted way in which they were framed. He did not recall some details that really were immaterial -- he was flustered, after all.
It also does not appear that the cop had probable cause to detain Craig, let alone arrest him.
No illegal transaction had occurred -- and no articuable offer and no articulable acceptance of said offer took place.
A reasonable person would gather that he was in a custodial situation before Craig was Mirandized.
The cop never disputed Craig's recollection that the "smoking-gun" piece of paper has the word "police" on it, and that is chronicled on the interview tape.
It also is not clear from the tape that Craig ever was informed of the charge(s) against him and that he indeed was under arrest as he was Mirandized.
It also is clear that the "interview" elicited no incriminating statements from Craig. Craig's political career and his reputation already are ruined, so he has little to lose and everything to gain by filing a mega-lawsuit against the city, the county, the PD, and the "arresting" officer personally for false arrest.
Even if Craig were a flaming AIDS dispenser, it is not at all clear that he committed any crime in the airport restroom.
The discovery phase of such a civil action might prove interesting indeed when the records and "arrestees" related to a goodly number of this cop's "vice" arrests were produced examined or questioned and the cop himself questioned under oath duirng one or more depositions.
It likely would prove extremely interesting to question the cop under oath in a courtroom and even more interesting to let a jury decide whether Craig in fact was falsely arrested and defamed.
I don't appreciate being harrassed in public restrooms or elsewhere, but each time an abuse of police powers and due process occurs brings all of us closer to finding ourselves someday in the clutches of one of an increasing number of governmental agencies that have proven themselves to be corrupt each and every day. Even the vaunted FBI was proven to have framed several defendants in Boston, and said defendants, I recall, served 20+ years of hard time or died while incarcerated.
And if such an outrageous situation could befall a sitting senior U.S. senator, then we all should increasingly strive employ efforts to watch our backs, the Patriot Act notwithstanding.....
99.999% of the time if a couple cannot conceive it is because of the woman. It is EXTREMELY rare that a man cannot produce enough sperm. I mean the guy would have to be all but castrated. Put it this way, not even condoms can protect a woman. Yes they reduce the probability a great deal, but all it takes is ONE sperm cell which can enter the vagina while the condom is simply being taken off.
“Low sperm count” is meaningless. To conceive, the woman produces one cell while the man has millions (40 million in one ejaculate)... Even if he is classified as “low count” it is virtually impossible for him not to impregnate a woman unless sexual activity is very low. Craigs wife has had 3 kids from a previous marriage, LC is not even recorded of having a girlfriend! She is his “beard” which is gay slang for a closet homo who wants to appear hetero.
Believe me; This guy is as “gey” as “Mary” Hoover or like I said maybe partially gay where he can`t perform. I had three kids by the time I was 22. Why? I couldn`t help it...The opportunity was there and I lost control, much like LC felt when he finds a blond stud on the toilet, and you will find millions of men exactly in my position. 100% heterosexuality will do that to you which explains my extreme poverty. I should be ashamed but I am not because now they are grown up and they are great kids.
To me LC should come out of the closet. I don`t think being gay is a bad thing, it harms nobody unless it is something like harrassing people trying to take a dump. What is worse is denying his nature and living a lie like Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Jodie Foster do.
I have to agree with you tracer...you make good points.
I’m bothered by the fact that there is no history to this guy in this regard...no rumors, no stories.
Why would a Senator, presumably looking for discretion, solicit sex in a public restroom he visited weekly? Wouldn’t this guy have been known to SOMEONE if he had?
I’ve been to traffic court...your word against a cop’s...cop’s can be wrong sometimes too.
Anyone ever pled guilty to a lesser charge, (even when not guilty), in order to avoid a kangeroo court and points?
I listened to the transcript and he sounded innocent. The cop was pressing him. I think he was set up too.
The cops said he put his roller bag in front of the stall door to block view of outsiders. Everyone does that,,there is no other place to put the roller, plus it holds the door shut and it does not obstruct views thru cracks.
This guy was set up.
Thats what lawyers are for.
What kind of ignorant nonsense are you spewing. A family can’t conceive and the husband is gay?? All infertility in a couple is a woman’s fault?
Glad to hear of your inability to control yourself. It certainly proves your manhood.
But, despite your great wealth of personal experience, you are wrong.
I don’t know, I never heard about people touching feet and rubbing the bottoms of stalls as being “signals” they wanted to have sex...gads, what is this world coming to....but I agree that the police officer...if he indeed is for real was WAY the heck out of bounds...no. 1...did not inform Sen. C what he was under arrest for, whether he could leave...(to clarify whether it was custodial or non-custodial)....no.2...sounds to me like the police officer wants money for a bribe...wonder how much he makes off those fellas he nabs that way....the alleged police officer brought no one else in on the arrest...very suspicious there...better be looking at the police officer. The police officer prolly had a big bribe in mind when he hit on the senator.
The cops were caught red-handed trying to get convictions. Notice the cop gives up pretty easily once caught in his lie about the left right hand having a ring.
LC: “I don’t recall. I remember reaching down once. There was a piece of toilet paper back behind me and picking it up.”
GROSS! Was he going to use a piece of TP he found on the floor?
This alone is grounds for removal from the Senate....LOL..it shows very poor judgement.
Great post!
“What kind of ignorant nonsense are you spewing. A family can’t conceive and the husband is gay??”
I saw that too. Do you really believe that, or is a sarcasm thing due to the Wikepedia stuff?
You do know that Wikepedia can be, (and has been), edited by anyone for any reason and is therefore NOT a credible or reliable source of information for anything...don’t you?
You are so out to lunch on your statistics, it is laughable. Do you suspect all men who have no children?
Excellent post and great analysis.
Yea, verily. He’ll get a lawyer and win this battle, but such is akin to closing the restroom stall after the perv has bolted......
If there were no toilet seat covers, maybe it was a piece of toilet paper he had pulled to use on the seat and it came off, thus he knew it was clean and was going to dispose of it.
Difference there is that the Duke boys were not even at said party at the time the fake crime supposedly happened. All three of them had an alibi that came forth almost immediately though Nifong chose to ignore that.
Now if the cop busted someone who looked like Craig, but Craig was in his office in Boise, ID at the time and the media still ran with it, then I would accept the similarities.
This cop admitted in the paper up here he knew 80% of Senators. A Democrat cop?
This smells like the cop went fishing for political reasons and got what he hoped for.
There seems to be a campaign against every conservative stalwart and it started with Rush and continues.
Craig was foolish not to fight if he’s innocent.
I guess....ewwwww! I don’t think the 2 second rule applies to public restrooms though....lol
Actually, the point is that in both cases the accused were presumed guilty...without evidence.
“This cop admitted in the paper up here he knew 80% of Senators.”
Wow a cop who is smarter than 90 percent of the college professors. I’m impressed.
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