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From a Terrorist Forum: Al Qaeda Strategy in Iraq Is Destroyed, What Can We Do? (We= Terrorists)
August 28 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 08/28/2007 7:26:03 AM PDT by jveritas

Below is a translated thread posted for discussion on a terrorist forum 3 days ago where an Al Qaeda sympathizer said that the "Islamic State in Iraq" which is led by Al Qaeda has been defeated in the provinces of Anbar and Diyala, and that they were only left with one last bastion which is the city and province of Mosul. He said that Al Qaeda old strategy was defeated and that they are now on the run, and that they must come up with a new strategy.

Beginning of the translation:

In the name of allah the most compassionate the most merciful

My Brothers I will leave this subject in your hand for constructive discussions and here it is:

Where is the Islamic State in Iraq heading after they left Anbar, after they left Diyala, after many Iraqis gathered around what is called the Alliance of the Tribes, and after the formation of the secret police. They (***Al Qaeda terrorists) left these areas and they are heading toward Mosul which is their last bastion. I swear to allah that they are our brothers (***Al Qaeda terrorists) and they are pieces of our own hearts but I plead with them to put a new strategy because their old strategy was destroyed and it had so many mistakes. Are they now in a state of Fleeing after they were in a state of offense? In this case it is not good news and allah help us.

Oh allah bring victory to the moujahedeen and I say this form a truthful heart and good intention that only allah knows. I will leave this subject between your hands to deliver it to the leaders of Al Qaeda and the Islamic State so they can prevent what they can prevent and allah help us. I want a solution, I do not want rhetoric, I do not want a fight between the members; we must come up with something.

End of the translation


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; bush; iraq; wot
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To: jveritas
Make a print of the thread quick because they may pull it off if they know that we are talking about it on FR. Some members of this forum read Free Republic and they are the one who posted a thread on their forum talking about us on FR shutting terrorists websites.

And exactly how do you know that your own efforts are not interfering with ongoing efforts by the CIA or the NSA to collect information on these sites, their members, their associates?

I don't think you have any way of knowing if you are tipping them off or not. Or whether you are disseminating their own propaganda for them here. Is it reasonable that al-Qaeda is alowing unknown persons on an unknown forum to offer to the entire world the information that their fighters are moving to Mosul? Is it not to their advantage to feign weakness? For that matter, the post you've translated could have been planted as defeatist propaganda by an American operative. Our intel agencies exist for this kind of thing.

I grasp what you believe about this translated post and its meaning. I simply don't think there's any way to prove it is what it seems to be and it could just as easily be a plant by either al-Qaeda or by U.S. intelligence for their own purposes.
61 posted on 08/28/2007 9:46:13 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: jveritas

The answer is quite simple.

Allah did not answer their prayers. That is, Allah wills they must leave or die.

There is to be no Al Aueda in Iraq. It is god’s will


62 posted on 08/28/2007 9:49:52 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Hillary's color is yellow.....how appropriate)
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To: bray
He is one of the most despicable defeatist on FR, a man who greatly enjoys bad news. What a low life creature.
63 posted on 08/28/2007 9:51:24 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

He’s a Plant, why else would he pick that name??

Pray for W and Our Troops


64 posted on 08/28/2007 9:53:38 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: jveritas
The high esteem in which you hold me makes my puny efforts entirely worthwhile.

I notice you refuse to address the substance of my actual remarks, continuing your habitual pattern of personal attack.
65 posted on 08/28/2007 9:57:57 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush
And exactly how do you know that your own efforts are not interfering with ongoing efforts by the CIA or the NSA to collect information on these sites, their members, their associates?

Tell me defeatist, how is that posting a thread from a terrorist forum where they are admitting defeat is interfering with the CIA and NSA efforts? Your were asking for link and doubting what I posted and when I posted the link and shut up your stupidity you shifted the story. You are a despicable human, one of the worst people on this forum, thanks God that there a very few of you here.

May be you should put a small biography about my real name, where I live and where I work as you did last time on another thread, so the terrorists will know who I am but I do not give a damn; let them come to get me, at least I would die for a noble cause.

Please stop posting to me, you are an insult to me and to the vast majority of freepers.

66 posted on 08/28/2007 9:59:06 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas
You Sir, is a defeatist and anytime we speak of victory you behave like a vampire who sees the light. Shame on you and your defeatist candidate Ron Paul.

Well, actually, jv, he did ask a reasonable question.

While I have no doubt that your translation is accurate, it is fair to ask whether the post you translated represents the true condition of al Qaeda in Iraq.

Maybe it does reflect the truth. Or, it could be a defeatist post such as we sometimes see here at FR. How would we know?

Perhaps you can help us in that regard: is that particular post representative of the mood of the forum, or is it somewhat different? What are the responses like?

Oh, and FWIW, Ron Paul isn't "my candidate".

67 posted on 08/28/2007 10:00:29 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

There is a history here that denies the honesty of the question.


68 posted on 08/28/2007 10:02:47 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: r9etb
Hi r9etb

I am seeing more and more posts like these on terrorists forums and it is coming mostly from members of the forums who live in Iraq. The other members of the terrorist forums who do not live in Iraq are still deluding themselves of total victory and that they are going to establish their islamic Caliphate and control the world. I have posted other threads and post in the last 2 months about the shift of attitude for some members of terrorists forums who are becoming more demoralized.

69 posted on 08/28/2007 10:04:59 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas
Are they now in a state of Fleeing after they were in a state of offense? In this case it is not good news and allah help us.

I know it must be true. I read it on the internet.

Boys and girls...can you say "Psy-ops"?

70 posted on 08/28/2007 10:08:50 AM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: jveritas
May be you should put a small biography about my real name, where I live and where I work as you did last time on another thread, so the terrorists will know who I am but I do not give a damn; let them come to get me, at least I would die for a noble cause.

You are the one who posted that info publicly, not me. And that information is very widely available because you chose to make it available.

Now you cry foul for people quoting what you yourself made public.

It's not my fault you have made so much information about yourself public all over the web.

Please stop posting to me, you are an insult to me and to the vast majority of freepers.

Fine. I will not address posts to you.
71 posted on 08/28/2007 10:19:28 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: Maelstrom
There is a history here that denies the honesty of the question.

Perhaps ... but I had the same question.

72 posted on 08/28/2007 10:22:02 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: George W. Bush; jveritas
I doubt one post on a single forum represents anyone much...

There have been several reports lately about significant progress in Iraq. These have come in the form of reports from American soldiers writing home, but also from the change in the attitude of several key democrats from "pull out now" to "we can't pull out now".

But jveritas' translation shows that morale is poor on the terrorist side, and confirms reports of progress from American soldiers.

Unfortunately, the MSM is so slanted in favor of defeat that we may never get a report of "AQ is on the run." The MSM is largely unreliable regarding Iraq progress.

73 posted on 08/28/2007 10:23:29 AM PDT by kidd
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To: jveritas

These terrorists are idiots for having an open forum, but still, this is very interesting.


74 posted on 08/28/2007 10:23:48 AM PDT by Tears of a Clown
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To: kidd
There have been several reports lately about significant progress in Iraq.

No denying that the situation has improved, judging by the reports.

These have come in the form of reports from American soldiers writing home, but also from the change in the attitude of several key democrats from "pull out now" to "we can't pull out now".

Soldiers writing for or against the war are offering their own perspective. I read the positive ones as well as the negative ones like the NYT published (noting the NYT refused to publish the rebuttal from other active-duty in Iraq). I support the troops and it's great to hear from them. Personally, I think we should hear more from all of them, however they stand. The enlisted have free speech rights that officers don't. And I don't know why their service to our country should ever be a foil to silence their First Amendment rights. Officers including retired officers, of course, don't possess the free exercise of those same rights, it's part of being an officer.

I guess I'm saying that I like to read all the anecdotal reports from soldiers. But I think we have to turn to Pentagon sources for the real overall story.

But jveritas' translation shows that morale is poor on the terrorist side, and confirms reports of progress from American soldiers.

Well, it shows that someone posted at a native Iraqi forum a defeatist post, indicate the poster believed al-Qaeda had made many mistakes and was fleeing to Mosul. Whether that was a disinfo post by an al-Qaeda operative or a disinfo defeatist post by someone sitting at a desk at the CIA or NSA, or whether it was an operative of Iraq's intel units or whether it was just an ordinary terrorist sympathizer in Iraq (or elsewhere in the Muslim world), well, we simply have no way of knowing.

You know, we love to bemoan publicly just how helpless we are in human intel in foreign countries. And yet, history shows that we do in fact possess great resources for such intel. But then, don't all the intel agencies pretend to be helpless idiots, incapable of anything? I mean, they are disinformation agencies and try to lull opponents into understimating them.

Wheels within wheels within wheels...

It's very hard for the public to ever know what all these groups are really up to until about 20 years after the fact. And then we never really know everything. The agencies are very good at protecting methods and source even if they appear to have revealed them in their declassified documents. Any attempt by the citizenry to penetrate this world of espionage and propaganda inevitably turns into unverifiable conspiracy-mongering of various sorts (not this post by jveritas but just such efforts in general).
75 posted on 08/28/2007 10:44:24 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush
Whether that was a disinfo post by an al-Qaeda operative or a disinfo defeatist post by someone sitting at a desk at the CIA or NSA, or whether it was an operative of Iraq's intel units...

An interesting possibility. Several thoughts:

- a disinfo post made in Arabic would NOT be for the benefit of Americans or the American media. Such a post (if it is disinfo) would be directed at those doing the fighting.
- a disinfo post by AQ that suggests defeat would be counter-productive for AQ. It raises morale for us and brings down morale for them.
- a CIA/NSA disinfo post would only be meaningful if there was some truth behind it for the enemy to accept it.

Even as disinformation, I believe that this post is an indication of significant improvements.

76 posted on 08/28/2007 11:02:01 AM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd
Wheels within wheels. Maybe we'll know for sure in 20-50 years.

Even as disinformation, I believe that this post is an indication of significant improvements.< BR>
There are so many factions with so many different agendas, I get a headache trying to figure it out. Then I realize we can't ever know for sure. Good grief, we don't even know members of our own forum that well.
77 posted on 08/28/2007 11:17:42 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush
It's quite possible that it's some form of propaganda, but if you ask me, even if this post is a fake, it's hard to believe significant numbers of AQ's aren't actually feeling this way. For one thing, the post's description of what has happened in Diyala and Anbar is accurate regardless of the post's authenticity.

For another, many have to be wondering if the stories about American weakness are true because they've been hearing for at least 2 years that the helicopters-at-the-Saigon-embassy moment should be any day now, yet over 4 years on, the Americans not only won't budge but are adapting and coming after them even harder with more troops, more effective tactics, and with more and more of the locals on their side who never had much use for all these foreign jihadis to begin with.

Another thing to consider is that just as we don't know for certain the origin of this post and thus can't know that it's not propaganda, a lot of AQ operatives with access to the net who might have read it can't be certain of its origin either, so they can't be certain that it is propaganda.

In view of all that, it's unlikely that AQ morale is exactly high right now. So even if the post is fake, unlike Dan Rather, this could be a genuine case of "fake but accurate".

78 posted on 08/28/2007 11:27:31 AM PDT by Zhangliqun (The Blue and Gray had infinitely more in common than the Blue and Red. We're headed for Civil War.)
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To: Romulus

Remember the internet is one of the last places the terrorists may turn to without revealing their locations.

Now, I ask you, how useful could such a statement be for the terrorists? Their entire campaign relies wholly upon the ability of liberals in the media to create enough pressure on the politicians to cause them to misstep in Iraq and Afghanistan or to leave the region entirely.

If Americans heard and believed that we were winning in Afghanistan and Iraq daily instead of the opposite, the terrorists would have NOTHING.

If this is a psyops campaign, it does not benefit terrorists...it never could benefit terrorists.


79 posted on 08/28/2007 11:34:06 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Zhangliqun
For one thing, the post's description of what has happened in Diyala and Anbar is accurate regardless of the post's authenticity.

True enough. But any faction, (US, Iraqi, al-Qaeda) could also know that.

The idea that al-Qaeda is posting that its fighters are going to Mosul in force is to me the most incredible portion of the account. Do you really think al-Qaeda is that incompetent?

Of course, the al-Qaeda fighters (mostly Saudis and North Africans who cross the border after flying to Damascus) may simply be telling the local blabbermouths that they're going to Mosul as a disinfo thing when they are instead, for instance, concentrating on preparing to attack the British withdrawal in the south.

But then, who really knows? And that is my point. It's like reading one solier's negative report and thinking that is the whole truth. Or reading another soldier's positive letter and thinking that is the whole truth. Even if you assume they're sincere, you have no way of judging how they evaluate what they've seen, the situation on the ground, how aware they are of the true situation, etc.
80 posted on 08/28/2007 11:37:05 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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