Guess What Folks - Secession Wasn't Treason

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Guess What Folks--Secesson Wasn't Treason by Al Benson Jr.

More and more of late I have been reading articles dealing with certain black racist groups that claim to have the best interests of average black folks at heart (they really don't). It seems these organizations can't take time to address the problems of black crime in the black community or of single-parent families in the black community in any meaningful way. It's much more lucrative for them (and it gets more press coverage) if they spend their time and resources attacking Confederate symbols. Ive come to the conclusion that they really don't give a rip for the welfare of black families. They only use that as a facade to mask their real agenda--the destruction of Southern, Christian culture.

Whenever they deal with questions pertaining to history they inevitably come down on that same old lame horse that the South was evil because they seceded from the Union--and hey--everybody knows that secession was treason anyway. Sorry folks, but that old line is nothing more than a gigantic pile of cow chips that smells real ripe in the hot August sun! And I suspect that many of them know that--they just don't want you to know it--all the better to manipulate you my dear!

It is interesting that those people never mention the fact that the New England states threatened secession three times--that's right three times--before 1860. In 1814 delegates from those New England states actually met in Hartford, Connecticut to consider seceding from the Union. Look up the Hartford Convention of 1814 on the Internet if you want a little background. Hardly anyone ever mentions the threatened secession of the New England states. Most "history" books I've seen never mention it. Secession is never discussed until 1860 when it suddenly became "treasonous" for the Southern states to do it. What about the treasonous intent of the New England states earlier? Well, you see, it's only treasonous if the South does it.

Columnist Joe Sobran, whom I enjoy, once wrote an article in which he stated that "...Jefferson was an explicit secessionist. For openers he wrote a famous secessionist document known to posterity as the Declaration of Independence." If these black racist groups are right, that must mean that Jefferson was guilty of treason, as were Washington and all these others that aided them in our secession from Great Britain. Maybe the black racists all wish they were still citizens of Great Britain. If that's the case, then as far as I know, the airlines are still booking trips to London, so nothing is stopping them.

After the War of Northern Aggression against the South was over (at least the shooting part) the abolitionist radicals in Washington decided they would try Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States as a co-conspirator in the Lincoln assassination (which would have been just great for Edwin M. Stanton) and as a traitor for leading the secessionist government in Richmond, though secession had hardly been original with Mr. Davis. However, trying Davis for treason as a secessionist was one trick the abolitionist radicals couldn't quite pull off.

Burke Davis, (no relation to Jeff Davis that I know of) in his book The Long Surrender on page 204, noted a quote by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, telling Edwin Stanton that "If you bring these leaders to trial, it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution, secession is not rebellion...His (Jeff Davis') capture was a mistake. His trial will be a greater one. We cannot convict him of treason." Burke Davis then continued on page 214, noting that a congressiona committee proposed a special court for Davis' trial, headed by Judge Franz Lieber. Davis wrote: "After studying more than 270,000 Confederate documents, seeking evidence against Davis, the court discouraged the War Department: 'Davis will be found not guilty,' Lieber reported 'and we shall stand there completely beaten'." What the radical Yankees and their lawyers were admitting among themselves (but quite obviously not for the historical record) was that they and Lincoln had just fought a war of aggression agains the Southern states and their people, a war that had taken or maimed the lives of over 600,000 Americans, both North and South, and they had not one shread of constitutional justification for having done so, nor had they any constitutional right to have impeded the Southern states when they chose to withdraw from a Union for which they were paying 83% of all the expenses, while getting precious little back for it, save insults from the North.

Most of us detest big government or collectivism. Yet, since the advent of the Lincoln administration we have been getting ever increasing doses of it. Lincoln was, in one sense, the "great emancipator" in that he freed the federal government from any chains the constitution had previously bound it with, so it could now roam about unfettered "seeking to devous whoseover it could." And where the Founders sought to give us "free and independent states" is anyone naive enough anymore as to think the states are still free and independent? Those who honestly still think that are prime candidates for belief in the Easter Bunny, for he is every bit as real as is the "freedom" our states experience at this point in history. Our federal government today is even worse than what our forefathers went to war against Britain to prevent. And because we have been mostly educated in their government brain laundries (public schools) most still harbor the illusion that they are "free." Well, as they say, "the brainwashed never wonder." ___________________

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[Non-Sequitur]

Uh-oh, this article is going to give “non sequitur” the fantods.

Say what?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

coincidence??? OR could it be that you KNOWINGLY tried another one of your "patented" CLUMSY, INTENTIONAL, STUPID LIES, in this case, "by omission"????

Neither. I didn't edit anything or assemble anything. I just used FR's "find older posts" button until I got to a page that included your 9/11 posts (as well as posts before and after). Then I copied the entire URL for that page into the link. Try it yourself and see.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

say, "bubba", i just noticed something. =====> you posted ONLY my posts of 9/11/01 that were posted BEFORE i left from & were posted AT the airport lounge. (which is to say, the HORROR STORY, that was 9/11/01, had NOT yet occurred!!!)

Really? You might want to take note of the fact that FR puts the time of posting in the message header.

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link

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

otoh, i suspect, based solely on the NONSENSE that you post, that you are NOT smart enough to understand that rather simple distinction.)that a CONGREGATION was NOT the same as a building.

So, the Yankees didn't burn down the synagogue, they burned down the congregation? Is that what you're claiming now?

For the record:

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Posted by stand watie to Bubba Ho-Tep
On Smoky Backroom 03/22/2007 12:04:43 PM EDT · 1,475 of 1,668

btw, the FIRST major acts of the DAMNyankee invaders, when the "open" City of Alexandria, VA was OCCUPIED (after President Davis AND lincoln, the TYRANT & WAR CRIMINAL,jointly agreed that NO TROOPS would EVER occupy Alexandria!) by union troops were:

1. the BURNING of the oldest synagogue in dixie &

2.the torching of TWO Catholic churches.

coincidence??? i think NOT!!!

Leaving aside your subsequent claim that Lincoln and Davis signed an agreement declaring Alexandria to be an open city, we're left with two alleged "facts" regarding the synagogue. First, that it was the oldest in dixie, and second, that it was burned down. The first is easily disproved, since there are several older synagogues scattered around the south, notably in Charleston in 1750, while Alexandria wasn't even founded until 1749 (when lots were sold) or 1779, (when it actually incorporated), depending how you want to count it.

Then there's the fact that the Beth El Hebrew Congregation was only founded in 1859 and put up their first building in 1871, by their own account and that of the historical marker on the site.

Now, I don't suppose that you can post any information about the yankees burning down anything in Alexandria, can you? In fact, the City of Alexandria's history museum, The Lyceum, says this on their website

Within days of Virginia's secession from the Union in the spring of 1861, Federal troops arrived in Alexandria to take possession of the city. Due to its excellent rail and water connections, the city became a major supply center for the Union Army and was included within the ring of fortifications protecting Washington. Many of the largest buildings in town, including The Lyceum, were confiscated for use as hospitals and for other official purposes and many new warehouses were constructed along the waterfront. By the end of the Civil War, Alexandria's economy was in shambles but the city itself had been spared the destruction witnessed by many other places in Virginia such as Richmond and Fredericksburg.

[stand watie]

in other words, you are TOO DUMB to realize that i posted those comments BEFORE the towers were hit & BEFORE i boarded the flight????

or are you lying AGAIN, as USUAL???

laughing AT you, BIGOT.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

we also note that you failed to mention that in your original STUPID & FICTIONAL account of that morning.

laughing AT you LIAR.

you members of "the DAMNyankee coven" can "thank" one of your OWN crazies for BOTH threads being pulled because he said over & over that the USA deserved what we got on that day of HORROR.

it is so typical of DYs to blame everyone else for THEIR "problems of character", when you get caught in a WEB of LIES.

"bubba" your REPUTATION is that of a LIAR/BIGOT/HATER/CREEP. don't you CARE that most everyone here on these threads does NOT believe ANYTHING that you post??? and that you are well-known as the BUTT of many an "inside joke" about "useful idiots" & BIGOTS on FR???

laughing AT you, CREEP.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

fwiw, the the DAMNyankees BURNED the building that the CONGREGATION was using for a place of worship, according to S____________. it was a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY,committed by a bunch of Anti-Semites, just as "Kristalnacht" was.

he said that the mistake i made(UNLIKE you, i only make HONEST mistakes) was that i thought the former synagogue on Washington was the building that was BURNED. it was NOT that building.

you, otoh, make few mistakes of FACT;instead you post KNOWING, intentional, LIES. that is why we normal/honest FReepers call you, "bubba, the liar".

laughing AT you, LIAR/bigot/FOOL.

free dixie,sw

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

otoh, i suspect, based solely on the NONSENSE that you post, that you are NOT smart enough to understand that rather simple distinction.)that a CONGREGATION was NOT the same as a building.
Stand Watie, Post #1027

fwiw, the the DAMNyankees BURNED the building that the CONGREGATION was using for a place of worship...the mistake i made(UNLIKE you, i only make HONEST mistakes) was that i thought the former synagogue on Washington was the building that was BURNED. it was NOT that building.
Stand Watie, Post #1047

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

in other words, you are TOO DUMB to realize that i posted those comments BEFORE the towers were hit & BEFORE i boarded the flight????

Can't explain away those FR time stamps, can you? The simple fact is that those show you posting away obliviously some seven hours after the planes struck, not before.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

we also note that you failed to mention that in your original STUPID & FICTIONAL account of that morning.

What fiction? All I've done is provide a link to FR's archive of your posts for that period. That's all. The dates, the messages and the time stamps speak for themselves, no matter how much you want to deny it.

you members of "the DAMNyankee coven" can "thank" one of your OWN crazies for BOTH threads being pulled because he said over & over that the USA deserved what we got on that day of HORROR.

You always have some excuse for not being able to support anything you say, don't you?

[Badeye]

(chuckle)

[stand watie]

you just cannot seem to get it through your THICK SKULL that you are KNOWN on FR as a remorseless, arrogant, LIAR, a BIGOT & the BUTT of inside jokes about LIARS/FOOLS/BIGOTS/"useful idiots", who also are DAMNyankees.

face it, "bubba", NOTHING you post is BELIEVED. in fact,not even your admission that you were formerly "heyworth, the BIGOT & ANTI-SEMITE" (who was BANNED FOREVER from this website) was believed (though WHY any decent person would admit to being THAT particular CREEP is beyond me.). you are RUINED on FR & you did that to YOURSELF. it's NOBODY's fault but YOUR fault.

btw, WHEN are you going to APOLOGISE to everyone & leave FR forever, CREEP???

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

So are you going to try to explain away the time stamps?

[stand watie]

what's your excuse for being a remorseless LIAR & a BIGOT???

also, tell everyone WHY we should believe ANY post you make, inasmuch as you admitted ON FORUM that:

1. you are BANNED FOREVER as "heyworth".

2.you committed a CRIMINAL FRAUD trying to win an argument on FR &

3. that you've told so many lies for so long, on so many different occasions that you cannot remember WHICH lie to try & "sell" to the UNwary & "newbies".

face it, CREEP, you wouldn't be believed if you said that the Sun sets in the WEST.

laughing AT you, LIAR!!!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

inasmuch as you're either TOO STUPID (are you THAT stupid to NOT understand that there are at least ONE whole thread missing/deleted & i believe TWO threads were???)and/or TOO DISHONEST to be TRUTHFUL, why should i bother to try to explain the OBVIOUS to you???

fwiw, NOBODY believes you about ANYTHING;that's why they will NOT post to you.

it's no more complicated than this: you are seen to be a BIGOT/FOOL/LIAR & nobody will "roll in the muck" with you.

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

And I wouldn't believe you if you said that there's a U-boat in a Galveston park, that the Spanish were celebrating Thanksgiving outside El Paso on or before 1519, that US soldiers burned down the "oldest synagogue in dixie" when they occupied Alexandria, or that posts you claim to have made before the terrorist strikes of 9/11/01 somehow ended up with FR time stamps showing them as being posted seven hours later.

Or that there's such a book as "Yachts Against Subs" by Admiral Commodore LBN Gnaedinger (who turns out to be the railroad reporter for the NY Times).

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

why should i bother to try to explain the OBVIOUS to you???

Because your story keeps changing. Are you now you're saying that you posted those typically trivial Watie posts AFTER the attacks, and in full knowledge of them? Because a few days ago you said:

"you posted ONLY my posts of 9/11/01 that were posted BEFORE i left from & were posted AT the airport lounge. (which is to say, the HORROR STORY, that was 9/11/01, had NOT yet occurred!!!)"

[stand watie]

and you are going to STOP being a SERIAL LIAR & RESIGN from FR , WHEN????

and further, WHEN are you going to ADMIT to everyone WHO you "used to be" before you were BANNED FOREVER from FR "for cause"???

ridiculing you, LIAR/BIGOT/FOOL.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

NOPE. my TRUE story does NOT "keep changing". instead you are trying (increasingly DESPERATELY) to "change the subject away from the FACT that you are a BIGOT/FOOL/SERIAL LIAR & that you were BANNED FOREVER from FR for being a BIGOT/SERIAL LIAR/FOOL & returned to the forum under another "alias". that is the TRUTH, as you ADMITTED "on forum".

the TRUTH is OBVIOUS to every HONEST/decent/fair-minded FReeper, as at least 50 FReepers offered me "support" & "condolences" on that AWFUL day & the ones that followed, when i was "stuck" in Atlanta. (to ALL: FReepers, with FEW exceptions like "bubba, the LIAR/HATER/BIGOT" are GREAT folks!!!! i am HUMBLED by & forever GRATEFUL for their helpfulness,honor, condolences & good wishes. MANY of us FReepers "got through" the terrible days that followed 9/11/2001 ONLY because of that SUPPORT from other forum members!!!)

face it, "bubba", you are RUINED on FR, as everyone KNOWS exactly WHAT you are. your REPUTATION is that of a LIAR/FOOL/HATER/BIGOT. that's why NOBODY but "newbies" (who haven't LEARNED what you are),"x" the NITWIT/BIGOT & i will post to you.

to ALL: fwiw, i post to "bubba, the LIAR" ONLY to RIDICULE him (and the other members of "the DAMNyankee coven of lunatics,BIGOTS, "useful idiots", REVISIONISTS, etc", who have continued to "suffer the liar to remain within their ranks".) for his PREJUDICE & DISHONESTY.

free dixie,sw

[Huck]

Just happened on this excellent discussion. This post is the best of the lot. Lately, I've been of the mind that the Framers failed, that the Constitution failed. This is probably what has me so engaged in reading this discussion. Your post here is very good.

I happen to think that this dual sovereignty, which Madison tried all his life to explain, is far to subtle and complex for most people to understand. I guess that doesn't make it wrong, but it does seem to make it unworkable.

It's simply too opaque. The author of your post definitely gets it right, as far as explaining the intent and how it was supposed to work, where sovereignty resides, etc. I'm still not sure I agree with his conclusion that it was good. I think they came very close, but made some obvious errors.