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To: DB

In fairness, running away when threatened with a gun is an instinctive reaction. It may not have been a rational thing to do in this case, with leaving the girls behind, but it is difficult to act rationally when you’re suddenly confronted with a gun in your face. I’m sure the guys who ran away, now that they’ve had a chance to calm down, are regretting their actions, and rightly so.

Properly standing up to an armed attacker requires training and good discipline. Becoming Rambo or Lara Croft isn’t easy. Think of the Virginia Tech shooting - it’s not really logical to expect typical college kids to react like Army Rangers or Navy Seals.


16 posted on 08/19/2007 5:06:48 AM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: JillValentine
The British mom fought her daughter’s kidnappers off..........I guess the father/men would rather run. They didn’t run WITH the kids, they just ran.

If men were allowed to own guns, these thugs wouldn’t have gotten away with this. Did you notice they had to call a “special” police response with guns to look for them?

17 posted on 08/19/2007 5:11:41 AM PDT by tioga
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To: JillValentine

Baloney, it requires backbone and balls.


18 posted on 08/19/2007 5:13:31 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: JillValentine
Horse manure

There is no justification for two adult males to run away and leave two young girls at the mercy of armed thugs

Thank God this didn't turn into more then just a robbery

22 posted on 08/19/2007 5:26:59 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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To: JillValentine
In fairness, running away when threatened with a gun is an instinctive reaction. ...

Oh, fiddle-faddle! To run away when threatened by a gun is not "instinctive", however to protect one's offspring -- to the point of laying down one's life -- is. These men were cowards. There's no other word for it.

"All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood," -- George S. Patton

23 posted on 08/19/2007 5:34:44 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: JillValentine

“Think of the Virginia Tech shooting - it’s not really logical to expect typical college kids to react like Army Rangers or Navy Seals.”

Obviously not without some training. Freshman year, martial arts required course for all students physcially capable. Teaching them how to: as an individual, and as a group to disarm a a mass murderer that preys upon the unarmed innocents.

Sophmore, Junior, and Senior years should be given an elective to continue education in martial arts.

Football, basketball, tennis, golf, soccer, rugby, volley ball etc etc are all wonderful sports offered in most colleges. But none of these teach the student how to defend his/herself against an armed assailant or rapist.

So yes, it is not logical to expect vunerable college kids to react like seals or rangers. But that should change. And it should change now.

Since colleges prohibit weapons for protection against mass murderers and rapists, then colleges should be required to provide courses in self defense...again, making it a required course in the freshman year for all capable students.


75 posted on 08/19/2007 8:08:09 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Forfeiture of liberty for dubious security undermines our credibility as a free nation.)
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To: JillValentine

“In fairness, running away when threatened with a gun is an instinctive reaction.”

I understand your point but we see news footage every day that contradicts that. I would strongly contend that it is NOT instinctive. Mose people freeze and comply.

What IS instinctive is the protection of our young. No way in hell I would run and leave a woman and a child there. No way. They basically said, “They are yours. Rape or kill at will, long as I can get away.” Cowardice of the first order.


79 posted on 08/19/2007 8:27:51 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: JillValentine

You are entitled to your opinion but...you are so wrong.

You stand and fight if you have to to protect yourself and the innocent children with you. You do what you can. You stand and fight with anything and everything available to you. You stand and fight and maybe, just maybe the perps will take off. Either way...you stood and fought with everything you had to do the right thing. Looking in the mirror then wouldn’t be so disgusting would it?

So I say “NO...in FAIRNESS TO them”... instead it is in FAIRNESS TO THE CHILDREN that they should have stayed and fought the good fight. Two of them ran away???????? Disgraceful. Absolutely shameless.


83 posted on 08/19/2007 8:51:50 AM PDT by cubreporter ( Rush has done more for our country from where he sits than anyone will ever know.)
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To: JillValentine
:Think of the Virginia Tech shooting - it’s not really logical to expect typical college kids to react like Army Rangers or Navy Seals."

But it is for an 80-year old Holocaust survivor? Do we have to send everyone to SEAL or Ranger school to get some backcone back in our citizenry?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

91 posted on 08/19/2007 10:21:25 AM PDT by wku man (Claire Wolfe, is it time yet?)
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To: JillValentine
I’m sure the guys who ran away, now that they’ve had a chance to calm down, are regretting their actions, and rightly so.

Bet they are really regretting they didn't have guns of their own that they knew how to use.

103 posted on 08/19/2007 8:20:57 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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