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Questioning Whether Islam Is Religion of Peace
New York Sun ^ | July 9, 2007 | YOUSSEF IBRAHIM

Posted on 07/09/2007 10:55:42 AM PDT by 3AngelaD

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At least one Muslim gets it. Maybe they are feeling that the West's tolerance is coming to an end, and if they want to continue to be allowed to live freely among us, they need to clean their own house. Maybe.
1 posted on 07/09/2007 10:55:46 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: 3AngelaD

In other words, fix your little problem, or we’ll fix it for you.


2 posted on 07/09/2007 10:59:40 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (It's never a good time to get sucked into an evil vortex.)
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To: 3AngelaD

The Religion of PIECES.


3 posted on 07/09/2007 11:01:25 AM PDT by hophead
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To: 3AngelaD

It’s like some sort of bizarro world listening to the excuse makers. Virtually no one I know, whether conserv, lib libertarian or populist is unaware of the connection between radical Islam and terrorism. Only the chattering classes in the beltways and the excuse makers think that the connnection can be hidden if they get the papers and govts to push that crap.


4 posted on 07/09/2007 11:01:54 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: 3AngelaD

Saudi money fuels alot of this. American muslims need to regulate their imams, fire those who claim killing is a way to salvation and tip the FBI and law enforcemnt to those in their midst suspected of being jihadists or providing support to the psychopaths.


5 posted on 07/09/2007 11:02:39 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: SlowBoat407

I don’t know who this guy is, but he did a killer job of indicting them, and pretty much summed it up in the best way I have yet seen from a Muslim. He basically calls them all out, and so can probably expect a fatwah on his own head next. Brave guy.


6 posted on 07/09/2007 11:03:55 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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Muslim countries are full of peace and tolerance:

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. It is punishable by death for a non-mulsim to enter the “holy” muslim cities of Medina and Mecca.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria - The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison. A Christian is not allowed to proselytize – ever. Churches who want to hold an extra service must get a government permit. Sermons are routinely monitored, as is church fundraising.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy. Islam is the state religion, and in a court of law the testimony of a Christian carries less weight than that of a Muslim. Section 295(c) of the Penal Code calls for a death sentence for anyone who defiles the name of the Prophet Muhammad and requires the testimony of four Muslims for a conviction. This fosters an environment in which Muslims can feel free to use intimidation and violence against religious minorities for personal gain. Also, if any criminal Muslim rape with any Christian female and then take plea that she has accepted Islam and marry with him. Such person is not culpable under Pakistani criminal law

Qatar - Islamic instruction is compulsory in public schools. The government regulates the publication, importation, and distribution of non-Islamic religious literature. The government continues to prohibit proselytizing of Muslims by non-Muslims.

Malaysia - Under Malaysian law, any convert to Christianity must apply to a shariah (Muslim law) court to legally renounce Islam. Many Christians prefer to remain silent converts rather than take their battle to the shariah courts, where apostasy or conversion out of Islam is punishable by whipping, fines, imprisonment and—in the most extreme application—death. In a country where Muslims account for more than half of the population, conversion from Islam is punished with a 5-year prison sentence and a $3,000 fine. A Malaysian Muslim who marries a non-Muslim and who converts the non-Muslim to Islam is rewarded with an apartment, a car, a one-time payment of $2,700, and a monthly stipend of $270.

The Maldives - In the island paradise visited by tens of thousands of tourists each year, Christianity is simply not tolerated. While local Christians – said to number around 300 out of a total population of 300,000 – do get together to worship, they do so at the risk of imprisonment or worse if discovered by the Muslim authorities. Bibles are banned, and tourists can be arrested for trying to bring them into the country.


7 posted on 07/09/2007 11:05:28 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: kalee

bump for later reading


8 posted on 07/09/2007 11:09:37 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: 2banana

Yeah. I heard sumpin bout dat.


9 posted on 07/09/2007 11:10:29 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: 3AngelaD

Bump. Will read more than the excerpt later.


10 posted on 07/09/2007 11:12:51 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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Could it be that their version of Islam is also the problem?

Isam for Dummies 1.0 might say that. Dummies for Islam 1.0 says something completely different.

11 posted on 07/09/2007 11:13:31 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: 3AngelaD

In the 1930s few Germans were Nazis or even strongly supported Hitler, but by their silence or tacit approval of at least some of Hitler’s policies they allowed him to take over Germany and perpetrate a monstrous evil on the world. Muslims today are in the same position and unless they actively seek to purge their religion of Islamic fascism, they like the German people will have to suffer the world’s wrath.


12 posted on 07/09/2007 11:17:26 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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1350 years of history isn’t enough to answer the question?


13 posted on 07/09/2007 11:18:52 AM PDT by P. James Moriarty (Millions For Defense, Not One Cent For Tribute!)
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To: 3AngelaD
implicitly warning fellow Britons against criticizing their faith.

Everybody shut up and things will be peaceful. Or you can have eternal peace fairly rapidly. Those are the choices offered by the ROP apologists.

14 posted on 07/09/2007 11:19:56 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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I'll believe a Muslim "gets it" when he quits the mosque and nails about 99 theses to the door on the way out.

Until that happens, then folks like this author are just whistlin' Dixie, with no demonstrable courage of conviction.

15 posted on 07/09/2007 11:21:36 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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"How did we, as a group, fail to nip this ugly phenomenon in the bud? How did we indulge in the luxury of theoretical debates, and craft all kinds of euphemisms to let this go on, spill out, and grow?"

You did it because you and hundreds of millions of mohammedan followers like you read and adhere to the hateful teachings of a maniacal caravan looter.

16 posted on 07/09/2007 11:22:50 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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Sorry, but if the imams DON’T preach that killing the infidel is the way to paradise, they ain’t preachin’ Islam.
They might as well become Christian, or something.
17 posted on 07/09/2007 11:25:11 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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...advertising campaigns across Britain that proclaim Islam is "the religion of peace..."

This is going to be a pretty hard sell given the be-headings, bombings, murders, etc. that we hear about every day. Just an hour ago, Rush was telling about the Taliban serving an 11 year old boy to his parents baked with fruit in his mouth in an attempt to force them to join their movement. Rush said he's seen pictures of the child on Michael Yon's web site.

18 posted on 07/09/2007 11:30:03 AM PDT by econjack
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"The latest batch of attacks by Islamic terrorists raised fresh concerns among Muslims over what they fear may be "heinous attempts" to link terror with Islam. British Muslims, who number 1.6 million, are reportedly funding advertising campaigns across Britain that proclaim Islam is "the religion of peace"

Heinous attempts to link terrorism with Islam?

Perhaps these "muslims' should write a new Koran and dream up a new "life of Mohammad" story. Otherize, LYING in an attempt to make Islam what is contrary to it's teachings will get them nowhere.

Unlike 80% of Muslims in the third world, Western Society is litterate, it's people can read the evil and hatred the Koran is filled with, and the monster Mohammad was and held up in the Islamic world as model of behavior to follow.

Qur'an:8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Qur'an:8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam."
Qur'an:21:44 "Do they[not] see Us advancing, gradually reducing the land (in their control), curtailing its borders on all sides? It is they who will be overcome." obviously, they do not see this)

More "peacefull Islam":

Ishaq:322 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who reject Me. So strike off their heads and cut off their fingers. All who oppose Me and My Prophet shall be punished severely."

Ishaq:204 "‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?' ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Qur'an:24:55 "Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good work (Jihad) that He will make them rulers of the earth. He will establish in authority their religion - the one which He has chosen for them."

Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not. Warfare is ordained for you."

Bukhari:V4B52N311 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘There is no migration after the Conquest of Mecca, but only Jihad. When you are called by the Muslim ruler for Jihad fighting, you should go forth immediately, responding to the call.'"

Qur'an:9:111 "Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."

Bukhari:V4B52N196 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,"None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. (in the whole world)"'"

Bukhari:V4B52N50 "The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah's Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.'"

Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote: "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."

Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror. While I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.' Allah's Apostle has left the world and now we are bringing out those treasures."

Bukhari:V4B52N267 "The Prophet said, ‘Khosrau will be ruined. There won't be a Persian King after him. Caesar will be ruined. There will be no Caesar after him. You will spend their treasures in Allah's Cause.' He proclaimed, ‘War is deceit.'"

Claiming Islam is a 'religion of peace" is just more deceit. There is no "peacefull Islam" to be found anywhere in the Koran and hadith. All there is, is Hate, and instructions on how to kill infidels, Jews.

19 posted on 07/09/2007 11:30:06 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Cyber Liberty

You know I was thinking the other day one of the things Islam needed was a Martin Luther, whose teachings would take over a part of the Islamic world like Luther’s teachings took over northern Europe, and force on the rest of them a counter-reformation as it did with the Catholic Church. Every other religion on earth has evolved from sometimes blood-thirsty beginnings, but Islam has not. It has gotten, if anything, more blood-thirsty.


20 posted on 07/09/2007 11:30:26 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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