Posted on 06/27/2007 10:09:17 AM PDT by Former Farmer
Dear Senator Webb –
Courage keys the Scots-Irish heritage which you and I share. Last year I gave Born Fighting to a Scots-American church member who was entering the Special Forces.
You showed courage when you resigned as SecNav rather than accept a grievous wound to the Navy. Show courage again to prevent a grievous wound to our nation. This immigration bill will not stanch the bleeding at our southern border.
When an American serviceman is wounded in Iraq, the only right act is to stop the bleeding first. Only a fool would demand comprehensive reform of our Middle Eastern policy before we stop the bleeding.
Fools we were in 1986, when Congress gave open amnesty to several million illegals in exchange for a promise to secure our southern border. But Republicans want cheap labor and Democrats want free votes. Both parties betrayed their promise. Such naked betrayal turns our trust into rage. The border bleeds.
Now comes another naked betrayal: reward 12-20 million illegals for defying American law, and promise again to secure our southern border. Who can believe the promise? We know how many miles of fence were promised last year, and how few have been built. We know once they get their amnesty they will leave the border bleeding.
Our rulers are buying Senators with pork. Edward Longshanks bought Scots nobles with lands and titles. One man stood up to tell the truth; he changed history. I don’t think you will be made lord protector, and sure don’t want you drawn and quartered, but if you have courage you can change history. Stop the bleeding first.
Someone has to state the obvious: the promises are empty, the emperor has no clothes.
Will you do it? If not, who will?
With prayer support,
Rev.
What kind of minister opposes amnesty?
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."If you lived in a third world country, you would come to America too. This must some holdover from the days when Christians misused the Bible to defend slavery.
Yes, but loving your neighbor does not mean condoning their breaking of the law. You might as well say that the government should pardon a murderer just because he is someone’s “neighbor”. You have made a common mistake that Christians make, which is to confuse the role of the private person with the role of the government. The government does not have the same obligations as a person acting in his private life.
To grant amnesty is to condone the breaking of the law.
Fool me once shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me.
There are just and unjust laws. From a Christian perspective, we have a moral duty to allow people into this country, where they have the opportunity for a better life. If you lived in the third world and didn't have a family member in the US (which is the only reliable way into the country) you would come here illegally too. Yes, this taxes (literally!) our health care and other services. Yes, I would prefer dismantling the welfare state so we can simply provide a fair legal system and code of laws.
First of all, Christianity does not separate the two spheres. That is not the point of "render unto Ceasar." Secondly, in the context of the immigration debate, we are functioning under our capacity as people who make the laws (i.e. voters) rather than our capacity as regular citizens living under those laws.
Very nicely worded—thoughtful.
The obligations of a government to its citizens are unrelated to the obligations of men to other men. You seem to know the difference.
Forward now, free citizens of this nation.
UNNATURALIZED Mexicans and Salvadorians SHOULD NOT BE my neighbors
The kind that remembers that love thy neighbor is not only for the third world, but also for his actual first world neighbors, Americans, and the nation of which he is a citizen. Neither of which benefits and is in fact hurt by this mass immigration, regardless of how it happens.
UNNATURALIZED Mexicans and Salvadorians SHOULD NOT BE my neighbors I think you are the one picking and choosing. The point of the passage is that *everyone* is your neighbor.
I agree, it is for both. But third world immigrants stand to gain far more than first world citizens stand to lose. Thus, a balanced view in which both immigrants and natives count equally favors amnesty.
If our country sinks into socialism and corruption, which it would under uncontrolled third world immigration, we will not be in a position to help poor people in third world countries. It would be worse both for them and us.
The biggest obstacle to helping these third worlders achieve better material prosperity and living standards is the socialist and corrupt government systems they live under.
Being Christian does not mean being brainless. Shackling our own society with socialism and corruption does not advance His kingdom.
This a great letter. It’s a shame that Senator Webb will probably never see it, because he really should.
But, I'd be doing it legally. I wouldn't be demanding "rights"...
I wouldn't be marching in the street...
I wouldn't be mooching off my adoptive home...
I wouldn't be scamming to have my pregnant family members sent here to have their babies...
Now my question....
What kind of minister advocates the breaking of laws?
I actually agree with you 100% on this. I think it is a legitimate argument for caps on immigration. But then the legal/illegal status does not matter (if you were in a socialist country, you would want to leave too, illegal or not). What matters is finding the highest sustainable rate of immigration.
All I will agree to is to disagree with you 100% on this issue.
Everyone is my neigbor fine and dandy. Good fences make good neighbors too.
Okay, how many a year? 500,000; 1,000,000; 5,000,000; 10,000,000; 20,000,000; 40,000,000? Give us a number and then explain why the rest of planet should not be allowed in.
Number please.
I think we should have a thread for proper msgs/letters to Congress critters
and
a different thread for outraged msgs/letters to the jerks.
The following is more the latter . . .
Hello Senator Brain Dead,
I realize that one should be civil, respectful, graceful to be influential with royalty such as yourself.
However, you long ago raced past any earned rights to such.
You have deliberately given the people you swore to represent the smug rude finger. You have changed “WE THE PEOPLE . . . “ into “WEEEE ON the little people for fun and profit.”
I realize that you likely fear the puppet masters more than you fear God and/or your constituency.
Welllll, we little people consider that to be brazen evidence of terminal stupidity.
God IS still in His Heaven and we little people are watching a lot closer with a lot more brains in our little fingers than the Combined Senate has been demonstrating recently.
And a lot of us are cranking up our prayers. I realize that satan has convinced your senior puppet masters that he will win at Armageddon and God Almighty will lose. As Christ said—he’s the father of lies.
In any case, IF sufficient patriots and authentic Christians pray enough, you will begin reaping your arrogant treason and selfish power mongering evils a lot sooner and a lot more overwhelmingly than you ever would have dreamed in your worst nightmare.
Can you imagine being locked into a small hot little room with all your worst traitorous, duplicitous, corrupt, greedy, deceptive, evil little qualities increasingly flooding over you in wave after wave? Can you imagine having your worst traits rubbed in your hair, your relationships, your public image relentlessly?
BTW, how’s your closet stocked in terms of tar and feathers?
Actually, I think tar and feathers would be too nice and polite for you.
Nude with an overcoat of hornets would be more fitting.
While I’m ranting . . . touch talk radio with anything but applause and helpfulness . . . I’ll pray your tongue falls out and your fingers fall off until you are driven from public life for driveling and foaming at the mouth trying vainly to say something sensible.
Obviously freedom of speech and the market place mean nothing to you. Evidently you learned about government from Marx in Siberia.
Perhaps it would help you understand the esteem you have ‘risen’ to by contemplating the place Shrillery Klintoon’s last month’s used toilet paper has in the lowest cesspool of hell. That’s probably a bit lofty compared to our respect for you but it’s a close enough approximation.
I think the most patriotic National Security preserving thing possible regarding the US SENATE would be for the Supreme Court to declare all of you traitors and sentence you all [with true patriots excepted—if there are such] . . . and then sentence you all to be immediately taken to the USS RONALD REAGAN and keel hauled—bow to stern.
Are you beginning to get the impression that you are not on the list of FAVORITE THINGS of WE THE PEOPLE?
I’m so sorry that the above poor words are so weak in describing the contempt you have earned.
Thankfully, YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU HAVE SOWN. I pray it’s sooner than you can imagine.
Most sincerely,
You're kidding, right? Please tell me you are just joking here.
We shouldn't be losing anything at all, yet we are, on a daily basis. Do you want these thrid world criminal aliens operating a brothel in your neighborhood, practically in walking distance of an elementary school? Do you want these thrid world criminals running you off the road on a fairly regular basis? Do you want them killing innocent teenagers?
I didn't think so.
That's what I live with every day, so don't tell me I have less to lose than they have to gain.
The next time some poor crack head breaks down your door looking for cash, just tell yourself, that you would do the same thing if you were in his shoes.
As for equating a minister opposing amnesty, with those who misused the bible to defend slavery, you could just as easily say that those who use the bible to promote lawless immigration or to support brutal dictators (World Council of Churches)are no different than those who used the bible to promote slavery.
What kind of minister advocates the breaking of laws
We need to separate two issues. The moral duties of the illegal immigrants, and our moral duties as voters. I happen to think that there is little Biblical support for civil disobedience (and given the backlashes that these movements have inspired, I can see the wisdom of the H.S. and the apostle Paul when they focused instead on changing hearts rather than laws). From that perspective, even though they are poor, illegal immigrants have a moral duty to return to their country of birth.
But we have separate moral duties as voters. Given that restrictions on immigration are unjust (if you lived in a third world socialist country you would leave too), our moral duty as voters - as people involved in making laws - is to grant amnesty.
We are like Philemon. The apostle Paul has returned our slave. Now do we free him?
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