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Rise Of Man Theory 'Out By 400,000 Years'
Times Online ^ | 6-25-2007 | Dalya Alberge

Posted on 06/24/2007 6:39:42 PM PDT by blam

Rise of man theory ‘out by 400,000 years’

Dalya Alberge, Arts Correspondent
June 25, 2007

Our earliest ancestors gave up hunter-gathering and took to a settled life up to 400,000 years earlier than previously thought, according to controversial research.

The accepted timescale of Man’s evolution is being challenged by a German archaeologist who claims to have found evidence that Homo erectus — mankind’s early ancestor, who migrated from Africa to Asia and Europe — began living in settled communities long before the accepted time of 10,000 years ago.

The point at which settlement actually took place is the first critical stage in humanity’s cultural development.

Helmut Ziegert, of the Institute of Archaeology at Hamburg University, says that the evidence can be found at excavated sites in North and East Africa, in the remains of stone huts and tools created by upright man for fishing and butchery.

Professor Ziegert claims that the thousands of blades, scrapers, hand axes and other tools found at sites such as Budrinna, on the shore of the extinct Lake Fezzan in southwest Libya, and at Melka Konture, along the River Awash in Ethiopia, provide evidence of organised societies.

He believes that such sites show small communities of 40 or 50 people, with abundant water resources to exploit for constant harvests.

The implications for our knowledge of human evolution — and of our intellectual and social beginnings — are “profound” and a “staggering shift”, he said.

Professor Ziegert used potassium argon isotopic dating, stratigraphy and tool typology to compile his evidence. He will publish his findings this month in Minerva, the archaeology journal.

The news divided scholarly opinion yesterday.

Sean Kingsley, an archaeologist and the managing editor of Minerva, said: “This research is nothing less than a quantum leap in our understanding of Man’s intellectual and social history. For archaeology it’s as radical as finding life on Mars.

“As a veteran of over 81 archaeological surveys and excavations . . . Ziegert is nothing if not scientifically cautious, which makes the current revelation all the more exciting.”

But others were far from convinced. Paul Pettitt, senior lecturer in palaeolithic archaeology at the University of Sheffield, said: “Are they truly the remains of huts and not a natural phenomenon? Do they really date 400,000 years or are they much more recent? The site formation, age and implications are all questionable.”

He said that Homo erectus was a highly mobile hunter, that human remains can accumulate for a number of reasons and that the evidence to be published by Minerva does not indicate a year-round settlement.

Further scepticism was voiced by Paul Bahn, an archaeologist who specialises in the palaeolithic period. Although he believes that Homo erectus was quite advanced and capable of building durable structures, occasionally coming together in large groups, he remains to be convinced about settlements.

He said: “Homo erectus could have been there for a few days. He wouldn’t have carried the tools around. Inevitably, they accumulate. If hunter-gatherers found no cave or rock shelter, it makes sense that they might have built a shelter for a few days or seasonally. Just the fact that they’re made out of stone doesn’t mean they were permanent settlements.

Nick Barton, a lecturer in palaeolithic archaeology at the Institute of Archaeology at the University of Oxford, said: “No unequivocal dating evidence is presented except that based on the typology of the artefacts. It is entirely possible that the site represents a palimpsest of material spanning the palaeolithic to the neolithic.”

Homo erectus — a species that has been recognised since the late 19th century — lived from about 1.6 million to 200,000 years ago, ranging widely from Africa and Asia to parts of Europe. Most of the anatomical differences between Homo erectus and Homo sapiens relate to the skull and teeth, with the former having a jutting browridge, a wide nose and large teeth.

Professor Ziegert said: “The first archaeological revolution in fact was not triggered by anatomically ‘modern humans’ in the neolithic, or indeed in the technological and cultural revolution associated with the upper palaeolithic, but by Homo erectus, upright Man, an altogether different ancestral species making waves at the dawn of humanity.”

After decades of fieldwork, Professor Ziegert is convinced that future discoveries will uphold his conclusions. Under his direction, the University of Hamburg has scheduled a further programme of excavations at Budrinna and Melka Konture over the next four years.

1891

— The year in which evidence of Homo erectus was first discovered, in central Java, Indonesia


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KEYWORDS: 400000; crevo; dalyaalberge; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; helmutziegert; homoerectus; man; potassiumargon; rise
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To: balch3
One has to ask - could a person espouse the Marxist view and tolerate creationism?

Christian Socialism was very popular in America and elsewhere throughout the 19th century. Ever heard of Liberation Theology? Dialectical theory predates Marx goiing back to Hegel and Kant.
41 posted on 06/24/2007 9:57:54 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Yes, but Kant Kouldn’t but the Kitty Kat Kould


42 posted on 06/24/2007 10:37:43 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: SunkenCiv
This has the potential of becoming a...

Wouldn't it be nice to have the power to remove certain posts (and posters) from your own thread???

43 posted on 06/24/2007 11:51:51 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: MichiganMan

Oh, please, that is my point

For almost 50 or 60 years now all we heard is there was no time because society wasn’t evolved enough

now, we just added 400,000 years!

Development?

EVIDENCE?

it doesn’t exist.

Genesis 1:1


44 posted on 06/25/2007 1:49:53 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: metmom
Gee, and I thought there was no dissent among evolutionists about the ToE.

Dissent happens when they can't agree on whose fakes should make the cut.

Wouldn't that throw a monkey wrench in their theory?

Speaking of German Darwinians and monkey wrenches, have you read about Prof Reiner Protsch von Zieten?... ""It's deeply embarrassing. Of course the university feels very bad about this," [said] Professor Ulrich Brandt, who led the investigation into Prof Protsch's activities..."

45 posted on 06/25/2007 3:05:12 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Euvolution v0.2.1)
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To: BipolarBob

While I disagree with your theory of origins, I have to give you points for your tagline.


46 posted on 06/25/2007 5:41:48 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The idea that mankind could exist with intelligence for a hundred thousand years without developing language, culture, and technology seems add odds with what we observe of man today.

Exactly! Somebody should be funding you, we'd get more common sense for our tax dollars.

47 posted on 06/25/2007 5:50:58 AM PDT by Graymatter (New legislators. No new laws. ... Let's clean house. And senate.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Add that to Archeoraptor and Piltdown Man.


48 posted on 06/25/2007 7:20:11 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blam

I think there were two one before the great worldwide catastrophe around 12,000 to 10,000 years ago (some places a flood and earthquakes and volcanoes in other places) and the other after the catastrophe. All mankind did not settle, the best estimate is four or five sets of people started civilization after the catastrophe in the Middle East, Egypt, India, China and South America. These civilizations were far ahead of anyone else on the planet. Could be help from the ABs.


49 posted on 06/25/2007 9:17:36 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: ahayes
While I disagree with your theory of origins, I have to give you points for your tagline.

I thank you kindly. But it will take more than that to carry me through eternity.

50 posted on 06/25/2007 9:31:02 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: Coyoteman; KayEyeDoubleDee
Here's the other, better-known one, same kinda thing:
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51 posted on 06/25/2007 9:47:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 23, 2007.)
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To: BipolarBob
Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.
LOL! Sounds like something that Clapton would rerecord... ;')
52 posted on 06/25/2007 9:48:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 23, 2007.)
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To: blam

6,000 years, baby!


53 posted on 06/25/2007 9:52:26 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: YOUGOTIT
"Could be help from the ABs."

You sound like a multiregionalist (like me). What is an AB?

54 posted on 06/25/2007 9:52:46 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border then, Introduce an Illegal Immigrant Deportation Bill)
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To: blam
Our earliest ancestors gave up hunter-gathering and BEGAN TAKING UP a settled life up to 400,000 years earlier than previously thought, according to controversial research.

...there, fixed it.

55 posted on 06/25/2007 10:01:58 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: blam
A good post, blam, even though it appears the thread is being hijacked.

My take on this is that I don't think evidence of settlement is inconsistent with a hunter-gatherer culture. Why not settle down for a while if the hunting and growing food are plentiful?

56 posted on 06/25/2007 10:30:37 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: balch3

Gotcha. Evolution = Communism. Right.

Islamists believe in young earth creation as well.

Wasn’t this thread about anthropolgy at some point?


57 posted on 06/25/2007 10:35:19 AM PDT by BJClinton (Jimmy Carter: the Renaissance Man of incompetence)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Remember this is homo erectus, though. Not QUITE homo sapiens sapiens, thus it’s quite possible homo erectus’ expected timeline of technological and cultural advancement was a lot longer (slower) while sapiens sapiens is quite short.


58 posted on 06/25/2007 10:35:30 AM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Perdogg
Nonsense. This is the pinnacle of human evolution.

Homo perfectus. Just consider yourself lucky to be able to make her your leader next year.

59 posted on 06/25/2007 10:46:55 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: blam

Advanced Being


60 posted on 06/25/2007 11:45:03 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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