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Rise Of Man Theory 'Out By 400,000 Years'
Times Online ^ | 6-25-2007 | Dalya Alberge

Posted on 06/24/2007 6:39:42 PM PDT by blam

Rise of man theory ‘out by 400,000 years’

Dalya Alberge, Arts Correspondent
June 25, 2007

Our earliest ancestors gave up hunter-gathering and took to a settled life up to 400,000 years earlier than previously thought, according to controversial research.

The accepted timescale of Man’s evolution is being challenged by a German archaeologist who claims to have found evidence that Homo erectus — mankind’s early ancestor, who migrated from Africa to Asia and Europe — began living in settled communities long before the accepted time of 10,000 years ago.

The point at which settlement actually took place is the first critical stage in humanity’s cultural development.

Helmut Ziegert, of the Institute of Archaeology at Hamburg University, says that the evidence can be found at excavated sites in North and East Africa, in the remains of stone huts and tools created by upright man for fishing and butchery.

Professor Ziegert claims that the thousands of blades, scrapers, hand axes and other tools found at sites such as Budrinna, on the shore of the extinct Lake Fezzan in southwest Libya, and at Melka Konture, along the River Awash in Ethiopia, provide evidence of organised societies.

He believes that such sites show small communities of 40 or 50 people, with abundant water resources to exploit for constant harvests.

The implications for our knowledge of human evolution — and of our intellectual and social beginnings — are “profound” and a “staggering shift”, he said.

Professor Ziegert used potassium argon isotopic dating, stratigraphy and tool typology to compile his evidence. He will publish his findings this month in Minerva, the archaeology journal.

The news divided scholarly opinion yesterday.

Sean Kingsley, an archaeologist and the managing editor of Minerva, said: “This research is nothing less than a quantum leap in our understanding of Man’s intellectual and social history. For archaeology it’s as radical as finding life on Mars.

“As a veteran of over 81 archaeological surveys and excavations . . . Ziegert is nothing if not scientifically cautious, which makes the current revelation all the more exciting.”

But others were far from convinced. Paul Pettitt, senior lecturer in palaeolithic archaeology at the University of Sheffield, said: “Are they truly the remains of huts and not a natural phenomenon? Do they really date 400,000 years or are they much more recent? The site formation, age and implications are all questionable.”

He said that Homo erectus was a highly mobile hunter, that human remains can accumulate for a number of reasons and that the evidence to be published by Minerva does not indicate a year-round settlement.

Further scepticism was voiced by Paul Bahn, an archaeologist who specialises in the palaeolithic period. Although he believes that Homo erectus was quite advanced and capable of building durable structures, occasionally coming together in large groups, he remains to be convinced about settlements.

He said: “Homo erectus could have been there for a few days. He wouldn’t have carried the tools around. Inevitably, they accumulate. If hunter-gatherers found no cave or rock shelter, it makes sense that they might have built a shelter for a few days or seasonally. Just the fact that they’re made out of stone doesn’t mean they were permanent settlements.

Nick Barton, a lecturer in palaeolithic archaeology at the Institute of Archaeology at the University of Oxford, said: “No unequivocal dating evidence is presented except that based on the typology of the artefacts. It is entirely possible that the site represents a palimpsest of material spanning the palaeolithic to the neolithic.”

Homo erectus — a species that has been recognised since the late 19th century — lived from about 1.6 million to 200,000 years ago, ranging widely from Africa and Asia to parts of Europe. Most of the anatomical differences between Homo erectus and Homo sapiens relate to the skull and teeth, with the former having a jutting browridge, a wide nose and large teeth.

Professor Ziegert said: “The first archaeological revolution in fact was not triggered by anatomically ‘modern humans’ in the neolithic, or indeed in the technological and cultural revolution associated with the upper palaeolithic, but by Homo erectus, upright Man, an altogether different ancestral species making waves at the dawn of humanity.”

After decades of fieldwork, Professor Ziegert is convinced that future discoveries will uphold his conclusions. Under his direction, the University of Hamburg has scheduled a further programme of excavations at Budrinna and Melka Konture over the next four years.

1891

— The year in which evidence of Homo erectus was first discovered, in central Java, Indonesia


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KEYWORDS: 400000; crevo; dalyaalberge; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; helmutziegert; homoerectus; man; potassiumargon; rise
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To: BipolarBob

Just remember to count for the production of heavy elements which evidently has taken two or three stellar generations prior to the formation of the Sun for them to have formed and been incorporated in the Earth.

A younger universe theory needs to account for this beyond the idea that God just snapped his “finger” and made it happen. Research into the processes that gave us nuclear weapons indicate this scenario is simply not so.


101 posted on 01/14/2015 1:06:29 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Little Bill

Zappa said (in an interview in ‘High Times’ I think it was) that Hendrix’ peak was “Manic Depression”. From a technical standpoint Zappa was better, and he has a much larger body of surviving work, but I’d rather listen to Hendrix. If I had a time machine, I’d sneak into one Zappa show, but sneak into all of Hendrix’. :’)


102 posted on 01/14/2015 1:32:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Little Bill

The problem with fossil evidence is in using it as either a final word, or as evidence for a particular geographic origin. Fossilization is rare. And of course, ultimately, it has to be both fragmentary, and in an indefinite relationship with living forms. Some are much closer and less controversial, of course:

http://www.public.asu.edu/~camartin/plants/Plant%20html%20files/cycasrevoluta.html


103 posted on 01/14/2015 1:35:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I snuck in to several Zappa shows, the Mothers were outstanding. This brings us back to fossils versus diffusion.
104 posted on 01/14/2015 2:19:26 PM PST by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: no-to-illegals; gleeaikin
FOOD!

The European population exploded with the introduction of the potato from Peru in the 1500's.

Ireland is the only modern country today that has less people than it had in 1840...

A direct result of the Irish potato famine.

105 posted on 01/14/2015 2:52:16 PM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: onedoug
A younger universe theory needs to account for this beyond the idea that God just snapped his “finger” and made it happen.

Really? Who do you think God is? He is outside of time. Time means literally nothing to Him. When He made the earth was there a black sky or were there stars in the night? Light that would have had to have traveled years to get here. Were the animals fully formed or were they embryos? Was it deception on His part for carbon-14 decay or were there other environmental forces at work? Who resurrected a 2007 post anyways?

106 posted on 01/14/2015 3:08:03 PM PST by BipolarBob
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

What I’m turning over in my mind is whether permanent quarters are feasible for large numbers of ancestral people before the birth of agriculture. Not sure how many places would have prey to hunt and edible plants on a year-round basis.


107 posted on 01/14/2015 4:37:18 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: blam
FOOD!

Surprising most people do not realize 'food' is a luxury.

108 posted on 01/14/2015 4:52:55 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SunkenCiv
Hendrix

Wanted to send you a link of Hendrix' hits which included Manic Depression but all found was one link with Manic Depression included in Hendrix' hits and the link was full of commercials. Dang commercials ... My intentions were good ...

109 posted on 01/14/2015 4:56:49 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: colorado tanker

A well-sited place would be used as a camp by any groups passing through. So now it could exhibit the signs of a ‘permanent’ site but would have been occupied only temporarily by different groups over and over.

Possibly that’s the case here.


110 posted on 01/14/2015 5:00:38 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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A question that has haunted me since first introduction to theory of perhaps this planet has experienced a nuclear conflict, in the past. If there was a nuclear conflict, in the past, does that explain the dinosaurs ascension to the top of the ‘food’ chain?


111 posted on 01/14/2015 5:03:15 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: BroJoeK

Abiogenesis is a belief, biogenesis is the law. No matter how much handwaving is done.


112 posted on 01/14/2015 5:19:46 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: SunkenCiv

We stayed for Hendrix at Woodstock. Would have gone home and gotten a shower if it was Zappa.


113 posted on 01/14/2015 5:25:14 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: SunkenCiv
I know I'm awfully late jumping in to this discussion, but I seem to recall reading, some years ago, that the development of complex speech in humans was not delayed by lack of intellectual capacity, but by the architecture of the hominid throat. If I recall correctly, it had to do with the horizontal orientation of the pongid throat compared to the more vertical orientation of the human throat. I can't remember the particulars, but the gist of it was that once the architecture of the throat changed, coherent speech followed.


114 posted on 01/14/2015 5:25:49 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in Battle!)
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To: no-to-illegals

Manic Depression good. Purple Haze great.


115 posted on 01/14/2015 5:27:20 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

remembrances of the music always went a little then a little more toward the deep end ... as in, the music was always a little more deeper than that (that being what was known) ... Highway Chile ... so many great songs during that time. A remembrance of a conversation back during the nineties ... the 20 something said I envy your generation because of the great music your generation grew up with. Walked a little taller that day ... and Thanked the 20 something.


116 posted on 01/14/2015 5:36:39 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: BipolarBob

God indeed made the universe. But it seems you’re throwing out a lot of stuff out of sequence.

God made the universe a natural environment, subject to physical laws He established “In the beginning”.

And you still haven’t answered with a better theory of where the heavy elements came from.


117 posted on 01/14/2015 8:45:25 PM PST by onedoug
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To: nicollo; SunkenCiv; Popocatapetl; MichiganMan; blam; Fred Nerks; Coyoteman; All

A lot might depend on whether fire was used for preservation, or even just drying. Esquimos dry fish, any tribe living on a river with periodic great abundance of fish like salmon in the northwest, or herring and shad on the Chesapeake Bay and Potomac could have had fish weirs, nets, enclosures, etc., none of which would preserve over hundreds of thousands of years or even tens of thousands. With a guaranteed supply of preservable food as well as regularly available plant and flesh food, settlements might have been rebuilt over centuries or millenia. This may be one reason there have been interesting finds tens of thousands year old along the Danube, also older than expected finds along the Potomac.


118 posted on 01/15/2015 12:31:03 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

Wow!! What a great list. Thanks SC.


119 posted on 01/15/2015 12:39:27 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Palaeolithic / Paleolithic European, Russian and Australian Archaeology / Archeology Sites

http://donsmaps.com/indexsites.html

fyi


120 posted on 01/15/2015 3:18:35 AM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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