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Dad Says Teacher Gave A Bad Lesson By Showing Bootleg Version Of 'Shrek' Film To 5th-Graders
AP/Starpulse ^ | June 22, 2007 | JIM FITZGERALD

Posted on 06/23/2007 4:01:45 AM PDT by lowbridge

PEEKSKILL, N.Y. (AP) - He doesn't want to be an ogre about it, but the father of a fifth-grader thinks teachers are wasting time when they show movies in class - and if the film is a bootleg, he says, ''That's a really terrible lesson.''

Tim Trewhella, 46, said his 10-year-old daughter reported that her class watched the animated movie ''Shrek the Third'' on Tuesday and recognized it as the fairy-tale hit still showing in theaters.

''A friend hooked me up with it,'' teacher Lovell Quiroz said, according to the girl.

Peekskill schools Superintendent Judith Johnson issued a statement saying administrative approval is required before a video is shown in elementary school and ''if a pirated video was shown it is in violation of district policy.'' An investigation was under way, the statement said.

An attempt to meet with Quiroz at the school was foiled by a security guard who ordered a reporter off school property.

The Motion Picture Association of America says major American movie studios lost $6.1 billion to piracy in 2005, 20 percent of that in the U.S.

''I don't want to see the guy hung for this,'' Trewhella said. ''I would just like him to apologize.''

Trewhella also says that what really bothers him is how often teachers show non-educational videos in class, bootleg or not.

''I run a candy and toy store,'' said Trewhella. ''I completely understand about entertaining kids. But it has its time and place.''

He said going public ''might be making this unpleasant for the school district. But as a taxpayer and a parent, I don't want my dollars going for movies. It's the teacher's job to make the educational stuff interesting.''


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bootleg; education; hookup; ny; shrek
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To: Manic_Episode

On the other hand, I teach my kids to question what the govt tells them, to be wary of the dangers that lay ahead.


You teach your kids to question Title 17 of the copyright law?


41 posted on 06/23/2007 7:05:19 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Yes, as part of a package deal.


42 posted on 06/23/2007 7:15:28 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

So, your kid questions copyright law. What kind of answers does he or she come up with? That it’s evil?

Note: intellectual property is one of the few areas in which the U.S. economy is booming on an international scale. If that falls apart, like our manufacturing base, then we’re in pretty bad trouble.


43 posted on 06/23/2007 7:20:08 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

I teach my kids that the govt is ass backwards, that Govt says that making copies is stealing and punishable, but that murdering babies is just fine.


44 posted on 06/23/2007 7:37:28 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: drlevy88
There might be an educational exemption to copyright for showing it, but the media itself was illegal.

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No such animal as an eductional exemption to copyright laws.

Bootlegging music and film is theft. Any attempt to rationalize it is moral relativism. And, those AV films you saw in HS were paid for by the School District.

This parent did the right thing by exposing the 'lesson' that small theft is acceptable.

45 posted on 06/23/2007 7:45:00 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Manic_Episode
'It was a bootleg, for free, so no taxes were involved. As a taxpayer myself I appreciate free.'

and...

'As a parent I appreciate a Teacher who bends the rules a bit and thumbs his nose at the govt and big industries, that the little guys can have independence here and there, that we need not be sheep.'

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Bootlegging is theft. Do you involuntarily work for free? Do you expect to get paid for what you do or create? Do you invest any money and then feel ok about it when part of your return is stolen?

Just so you get the message....bootlegging is theft.

46 posted on 06/23/2007 7:49:24 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

Just so you get the message, phhhhttt.


47 posted on 06/23/2007 7:52:29 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode
I teach my kids that the govt is ass backwards, that Govt says that making copies is stealing and punishable, but that murdering babies is just fine.

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If legal abortion is the yardstick then why stop at teaching them that some laws are ok to break, that some things are ok to steal? Why not tell them that shop-lifting is just sticking it to the man? That burglary is just the little guy expressing rebellion? That running out on a bar tab is just fine....

You're a dunce.

48 posted on 06/23/2007 7:53:00 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Manic_Episode

Save your money, with the lessons about morality that you are teaching your kids you’ll need it one day for bail.


49 posted on 06/23/2007 7:56:28 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Manic_Episode
It was a bootleg, for free, so no taxes were involved. As a taxpayer myself I appreciate free.

Say what?

You approve of the school's stealing in order to keep costs down?

50 posted on 06/23/2007 8:00:22 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Manic_Episode; lowbridge
As a parent I appreciate a Teacher who bends the rules a bit and thumbs his nose at the govt and big industries, that the little guys can have independence here and there, that we need not be sheep.

We are still (at least for a little bit longer) a nation of Laws. The teacher demonstrated to these kids that theft is acceptable.

A few years ago I read an article about teenagers who were amazed that someone might see boot legged music as theft. They also failed to understand that if the “Artist” (and I use that term loosely) doesn’t earn profits on their product they are unlikely to produce any more product.

51 posted on 06/23/2007 8:00:46 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: wtc911
No such animal as an eductional exemption to copyright laws.

Yes there is, it's called fair use and is well supported by court decisions and precedent.

52 posted on 06/23/2007 8:03:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: lowbridge
Excuse me...but I thought all the teachers were up in arms with how much information they have to cover in the school year, because we're testing our kids too much and they don't have time to give their students a well-rounded education???

Hmmm.....sounds like they've got extra time to me.

53 posted on 06/23/2007 8:04:08 AM PDT by NordP (The greatest gift God can give us is LIFE. The greatest gift man can give to another is FREEDOM.)
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To: NordP

If this was an end-of-year treat and their classroom was cleaned out and ready for summer, why not let them watch a movie? Am I the only one who doesn’t care?


54 posted on 06/23/2007 8:06:37 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: Manic_Episode

Your image does look a little Baal-istic. I think that shirt is supposed to say “Sin [crossbones] Kills”? Sin is disobedience to the revealed will of God. You can’t just take a scissors and cut Romans 13 out of the bible. Obey the authorities, up to the point that it would require disobedience to God — then obey God rather than man.


55 posted on 06/23/2007 8:06:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: lowbridge

Happy Feet as an educational movie? Well, I guess it is good preparation for An Inconvenient Truth.


56 posted on 06/23/2007 8:07:35 AM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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To: NordP

They absolutely have enough time.
I’d bet that my high school student spends the majority of her school day NOT being taught.
It is pathetic.


57 posted on 06/23/2007 8:07:36 AM PDT by regularperson
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To: SteveMcKing
Copying is not stealing.

Copying can be wrong in its own way, but it is not the same definition as stealing.

No. Copying is not stealing. Until you make that copy and give it to your friend.

58 posted on 06/23/2007 8:08:00 AM PDT by FrogMom
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To: publana
There was a time in U.S. history, when we USED to care about stealing, right vs. wrong, and adults USED to set good examples for their children/students.

It makes me sad that we are now okay with listing our shouldn't do's as to their highest priority; rather than putting them all in one category.

59 posted on 06/23/2007 8:08:27 AM PDT by NordP (The greatest gift God can give us is LIFE. The greatest gift man can give to another is FREEDOM.)
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To: drlevy88

Exactly. The message that teacher taught was so wrong.


60 posted on 06/23/2007 8:09:26 AM PDT by NordP (The greatest gift God can give us is LIFE. The greatest gift man can give to another is FREEDOM.)
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