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A three-pronged plan to bring America down (Bush's Amnesty advances North American Union)
RenewAmerica.us ^ | June 17, 2007 | Joshua Herring

Posted on 06/17/2007 8:53:07 AM PDT by cpforlife.org



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A three-pronged plan to bring America down

June 17, 2007
Joshua Herring
RenewAmerica analyst

In an article that I read recently, there was a tragic story. It filled my heart with sorrow to think of Americans devastated in the workplace by policies that exhibit an inexcusable lack of sensitivity and civic responsibility. This is the story of which I speak:

    Fox News reported on a particularly tragic example of job displacement that took place in 2003: "Kevin Flanagan, a computer programmer with Bank of America, was fired from his job after being forced to train his replacement, an Indian worker who was taking over Flanagan's job as part of Bank of America's effort to replace its American workforce with foreign labor. Flanagan walked outside into his office parking lot and shot himself to death." (emphasis added) [1]

How sad and how utterly abhorrent this is. Given current trends, I wonder how many more tragic stories resulting from this kind of cruel injustice there will be in days to come. How many stories of American children growing up in abject poverty, deprived of even their most basic needs; stories of families being driven from their homes with no place to go; and stories of marriages that fell apart due to intense financial pressure. I also wonder how many stories there will be about the devastating impact those divorces had on the lives of children in America. The reason I wonder is because this kind of job displacement is going to increase in days to come, unless something dramatic takes place to prevent it

The 110th Congress has been wrestling with an immigration reform bill. Those supporting the bill say it would provide "cheap labor" as if that would unquestionably be a good thing. There is more involved with what I intend to touch on here, and the ramifications of those things are many, but due to space constraints I can only deal with some economic aspects of the problem.

Where are men like James Madison when we need them today?

The most basic and essential duties of the United States Congress are to guard against things that undermine the Constitution, chip away at national sovereignty, or threaten national stability and security. Nevertheless, at this point, we are facing a clear and present danger resulting from dereliction of duty on the part of our leaders.

As much as I would like to place all the blame on liberals in the Democratic Party, the truth is that part of the blame rests upon people in the Republicans party. I'm speaking of people, many of whom still have the nerve to call themselves conservatives when even the term RINO will no longer suffice in describing them. They are well on their way to becoming full-fledged liberals, and President Bush has been leading the charge.

The three-pronged plan of attack

This essay is about a three-pronged plan of attack designed to diminish American sovereignty, strength, security, and stability. Regardless of how anyone voted, and as important as that information is, the problem goes much deeper than that. I am firmly persuaded that the amnesty bill is only one part of a plan to bring this nation down. What do I mean when I speak of a "three pronged" plan of attack?

1 — There is the latest immigration bill slated to return to the Senate floor for debate. Despite all the rhetorical subterfuge and denials, it is true that passage of the immigration reform Congress is wrestling with would, de facto, grant amnesty to anywhere from 12–20 million illegal immigrants.

2 — Then there is NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement. This agreement has already contributed to economic problems that will have long-term negative impact on our nation. Don't be fooled by the fact that most of these negative effects have yet to materialize, because they are coming and I intend to show you why.

3 — In addition to NAFTA, now there is CAFTA, the Central American Free Trade Agreement. I believe CAFTA is the more dangerous of the two.

The consequences of these three things will virtually transform America — but not for the better. In facilitation of the trade agreements, a superhighway is to be built. The width of the highway is to be four hundred yards and it is known as "North America's SuperCorridor." It will run through several Mexican states and through Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Nebraska, Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota, and the Canadian provinces of Manitoba and Ontario. Close your eyes for a moment and picture a highway as wide as the length of four football fields. Can you imagine that? Can you also imagine the mass displacement of people who will be driven from their homes to clear the way for this highway?!

When I consider the most recent Supreme Court decision pertaining to eminent domain, I think, "How utterly convenient that is, and what a coincidence." This ruling permits local governments to seize homes and businesses for private projects that "promote economic development." This was a highly irregular decision by the Court, to say the very least, and it was certainly well-timed to facilitate the needs of those planning the "SuperCorridor." This highway is to provide not only truck routes entering the United States from Mexico; it will include both passenger and freight railroad lines that run alongside of oil and natural gas pipelines.

A few pertinent details

Let's take a quick look at a few aspects of the two free trade agreements before going any further. First of all, let's consider the words of current Republican presidential candidate Congressman Tom Tancredo, regarding CAFTA and some of its provisions.

    CAFTA would do more than just phase out tariffs and open new markets — a lot more. For example, buried among its nearly 1,000 pages, the agreement contains an expansive definition of "cross-border trade in services." This definition would give people in Central American nations a de facto right to work in the United States. CAFTA is more than a trade agreement about sugar and bananas. It is a thinly disguised immigration accord.

    What those provisions mean is that a foreign company would be empowered under CAFTA to challenge the validity of our immigration laws. If an international tribunal rules against us, Congress would then be forced to change our immigration laws or face international trade sanctions. These tribunals have the authority to rule that U.S. immigration limits, visa requirements, or even licensing requirements and zoning rules are "unnecessary burdens to trade" that act as "restrictions on the supply of a service."

    If CAFTA were really just about trade, the agreement would be little more than a few pages long, declaring that tariff treatment for U.S. and Central American goods will be on a reciprocal basis. But it isn't. In reality, CAFTA is about expanding a growing body of international law that supersedes our own. If CAFTA is approved, Congress' "exclusive" authority to regulate immigration policy will be subjugated to the whim of international tribunals and trade panels — in much the same way that Congress' once supreme constitutional authority to "regulate commerce with foreign nations," has already been largely ceded to the WTO [World Trade Organization]. [2]

Now let's take a quick look at NAFTA before we move on. NAFTA has been in effect since 1994.

    NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized U.S. corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of U.S. corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%. No wonder so many Mexican peasants have called NAFTA their 'death warrant.')

    NAFTA's service-sector rules allowed big firms like Wal-Mart to enter the Mexican market and, selling low-priced goods made by ultra-cheap labor in China, to displace locally-based shoe, toy, and candy firms. An estimated 28,000 small and medium-sized Mexican businesses have been eliminated. Wages along the Mexican border have actually been driven down by about 25% since NAFTA, reported a Carnegie Endowment study. An over-supply of workers, combined with the crushing of union organizing drives as government policy, has resulted in sweatshop pay running sweatshops along the border where wages typically run 60 cents to $1 an hour. [3]

And this is, as they say in movie advertisements, "Coming soon to a theater near you!" What has been taking place in Mexico will work its way around to the U.S., and it will have a similar impact on the owners of small to medium-sized businesses. Please note that in what you just read — as wages went down, the price of at least some Mexican food staples rose dramatically. In addition to this, NAFTA has, by virtue of damage done to Mexican farmers and other business owners, driven hordes of illegal immigrants into America who will work for less money than American's do even after naturalization.

Meanwhile, authority contained in CAFTA will be transferred to various supranational and UN entities such as the Codex Alimentarius, the World Trade Organization, and the International Labour Organization. An international trade panel will have authority to override U.S. immigration laws and other laws that get in the way. The panel will be made up of one American and two Central Americans. This unequal balance of power will leave the U.S. at a disadvantage, as decisions are made that strip away our national sovereignty. And CAFTA will lead to the immigration of people from Central America with government sanction that will be sent specifically for the purpose working here. This will cause progressive displacement of American workers to facilitate the agendas of Central Americans.

As we go forward from here, there are a couple of things I would like you to keep in mind. First, while the immigration reform bill has yet to be passed, the same cannot be said of NAFTA and CAFTA. Therefore, even if fewer immigrants are naturalized than the 12–20 million covered by the pending legislation, that fact will not prevent the things I'm talking about from coming about. The other thing to bear in mind is the fact that economically speaking, the term "shortage" doesn't mean "scarcity." It simply means there isn't enough of something to satisfy everyone. This having been said, now I will touch on some things that are being ignored because they would otherwise interfere with the plans of globalists.

Cause and effect realities that cannot be ignored

Proponents of the current immigration package say the bill will provide the American workforce with cheap labor. Many Americans think this will lead to lower prices and wonder what could possibly be wrong with that. However, application of a few basic economic principles begins to remove the gossamer covering of some of the hidden dangers of CAFTA and NAFTA. Regardless of how it all plays out, prices will go down temporarily at some point, as more immigrants come to America and imports come from other countries that will be too cheap for American companies to compete. This will take place for reasons I will get into shortly.

Economic principles and the laws of nature

Economics principles are like the laws of nature: there is no way to ignore them and get away with it. In his book, Basic Economics, Thomas Sowell speaks of rent control shortly after WW II having kept the cost of housing artificially low for an extended period of time. As a result, many young adults of college age who were still living with their parents could afford to rent an apartment. At the same time, people who were affluent rented a second and sometimes even a third house or apartment.

In addition to this, couples without children were renting three and four bedroom units simply because they could afford to. All this produced a serious housing shortage, despite the fact that there were basically no more people in need of housing, and no less housing to go around than before. An economic principle came into play that is consistently true: lowering prices leads to market shortages.

Given the level of immigration, both legal and illegal, brought about through amnesty and by virtue of CAFTA and NAFTA — combined with the cheaper imports I just spoke of — all this will eventually have an impact on the American marketplace that will be dramatic. Although much of it will not show immediately, the impact will indeed be negative, due in part to an unproductive economic cycle being set into motion. First, lower prices will lead to altered spending patterns that cause market shortages and significantly diminish what is available to the poor. If a shortage isn't severe enough to lead to black market activity, it can still lead to discriminatory behind-the-counter activities that will diminish the supply leftover for the average consumer.

The impact all this will have on American business owners and the workplace

Lower prices will also make it more difficult for those who produce some things to stay in business. If businesses cannot use cheap labor for some reason, they will not be able to price things competitively and still cover their costs. Therefore, many who aren't forced out of business will make changes and target a different market, catering only to those who are more affluent. At the same time, major increases in cheap labor and the cheaper imports will eventually cause prices that were originally lowered to rise. This is something else that will come about due to market shortages, as they create a greater demand than supply can keep up with.

As all this is taking place, increasing numbers of Americans will lose their jobs, as they are displaced by foreign labor. Eventually, even businessmen who don't want to hire foreign workers will be forced to make the transition to avoid insolvency. The cost of doing business in the U.S. can only be brought so low, and there are only so many ways to do so. Eventually, the only way to compete with cheaper imports will be for Americans to drop standards pertaining to everything from wages, to quality control, to employee benefits, etc. Yet, even after all that has been done, it still won't be enough to make up the needed difference.

Health, safety, and environmental regulations enforced by OSHA, the EPA, and other government agencies are already making things very difficult. This has forced many small business owners out of business who cannot — to give just one example — afford all the waste treatment required to operate since regulations have been tightened. They would face stiff fines for ignoring some of those regulations, and imprisonment for other violations. Because of CAFTA and NAFTA, in the future the same regulations will gradually make it difficult for all but the largest businesses and corporations affected by such regulations to survive amidst competition with imports from other nations.

Many of those nations don't have such rigid regulations and safety standards, and because of CAFTA and NAFTA, they will no longer have to deal with import tariffs on things sent to America. In the final analysis, as time passes the number of American companies outsourcing jobs, the number of companies that have gone under, and the number of American workers displaced by immigrants will drive the unemployment rate in America right through the roof.

The short term result of all this will be that people who are less than affluent will have to tighten their belts, and determine their needs and preferences more carefully. They will have to do without some things to avoid losing other things increasingly considered to be "luxuries," but which people simply aren't willing to do without. The long-term result will be something that has already happened in some European nations. All this will accelerate the rate at which America is moving toward becoming a society made up of only two classes — the very rich and the very poor.

The political ramifications involved

Nevertheless, poor people will invariably continue to vote for liberals, thinking they will fare better with them in office — when in fact, virtually everyone does better, poor people included, with politicians in office who are better stewards of government money than liberals tend to be. There is also another political factor that will eventually come into play, and the very thought of this breaks my heart.

In a society in which the middle class is being eliminated, eventually proletariats will outnumber the wealthy by a wide margin. The American system of choosing leaders by voting will give the poor an increasing advantage at the polls. However, the rich will never surrender their power and privilege in this nation. Therefore, in the long run, our government will have to be gradually transformed into something more resembling an oligarchy than the republic it once was. It might even undergo such massive change that for all practical intents and purposes, the U.S. Constitution will become obsolete.

More causes of a major transformation

We live in a society that is supposed to operate on the basis of the "free enterprise system" — that is, a system in which businesses operate competitively without government interference that goes beyond regulation to protect the public interest and keep the economy stable. As I've already mentioned, the key factors in such a system are supply and demand.

Reliance on supply and demand is the only trustworthy means of determining how resources can be used most efficiently, and the only means of seeing to it that prices create a stable market. By contrast, subsidization by the government of large corporations has the effect of seeing to it that in the long run, prices will not cover the cost of production for at least some businesses. When this fact is ignored, smaller business owners end up taking the hit first.

Unfortunately, full implementation of NAFTA and CAFTA will cause the severity of the problems created by government subsidization to increase exponentially. Gradually, even some of the larger businesses will find it difficult to survive as a result. Those businesses must cover production costs with prices determined by market conditions or they will possibly lose everything. There is no government cushion provided to cover them for problems created by abnormal fluctuations in the marketplace as there is with corporations subsidized by the government.

Subsidization of large corporations interferes with the principle of incremental change that takes place when business is done normally, as gradual adjustments and substitutions are made due to changes in supply and demand. This is one of the things that lead to the development of abnormal market fluctuations and imbalances in supply and demand. But in every case, a day comes when something must begin to compensate for this. As much as politicians try and ignore these realities, there is no getting around them.

The impact of all this on the government as a whole

The problems created by this kind of activity don't show up right away, and politicians use that to their advantage. They create policies and programs like the current immigration reform bill, for example, and convince the public they have done something good when they are actually just catering to big business interests. Every time they do this, the real problems don't become evident for a while — and often by the time they finally come to light, the situation is at or near crisis level. The Savings and Loan crisis of the eighties was an example of this. The cost of the crisis is estimated to have been around $150 billion. About $125 billion of it was directly subsidized by the U.S. government. This contributed to large budget deficits in the early 1990s.

Things like this create unnecessary needs that could have been avoided — needs that some politicians believe call for socialistic programs as a solution. However, for a variety of reasons, socialistic policies — while leading to everyone's needs being met in theory — have the opposite effect in practice. One of the reasons is that people who don't have to work for what they get are less responsible about consumption.

Therefore, supplies and/or services become inadequate to meet people's needs, while at the same time the cost of doing business tends to skyrocket. This is because any time the government begins to pick up the tab for something — like healthcare, for instance — politicians and bureaucrats write rules and provisions into the system that aren't cost-effective.

Let me give you one quick example of what I'm talking about. In facilities that care for the elderly and take patients in for rehabilitation, the maximum amount private insurance companies will pay runs from $250 to $350 per day. The people in charge of admissions in those facilities work hard to see that beds are filled with Medicare patients, because the federal government will pay in excess of $700 per day. The price of everything from supplies, to treatments, to therapy increases when the federal government is footing the bill.

This is something that holds true with any industry involved. No one really cares about what the government pays. Therefore the government's cost of doing business rises steadily. Here again, the costs created by such practices must be made up somewhere. In the long run, it simply ends up being taken out of the pockets of hard working citizens. This is true regardless of whether it takes place in a free enterprise system or a command economy.

Politicians are always trying to find a way to deal with societal problems and needs without facing realities that to them are inconvenient. Most of the problems aren't nearly as difficult to solve as they make it seem. But coming to conclusions that will provide real solutions requires an approach that doesn't ignore the need for realistic analysis and operation according to sound principles.

In conclusion

If a balloon is squeezed roughly, it causes the displacement of air and enlarges the balloon. However, this sort of handling of a balloon can end up causing weak spots that will collapse the balloon eventually. Most balloons aren't meant to be handled that way, any more than the American government is meant to be handled the way our politicians handle it today. If they don't quit putting the squeeze on Americans and ignoring sound principles to further their political agendas, a day is soon to come when their balloon will . . . POP!!!

A three-pronged plan of attack has been leveled against American sovereignty, strength, security, and stability that I believe was conceived in the very pit of hell. There are two things which must be done if we are to prevent the kind of destruction of our republic that I've been describing. First, we must work hard between now and November 2008 to see that more responsible people are voted into Congress and the Oval Office.

Second, since I am persuaded that the origin of the plot is hell itself, I believe we need to cancel our dinner reservations, put on some sackcloth, and begin to pray. (Sackcloth is optional in modern times, but I'm sure you get the idea — this is serious!) Two of the three prongs in this plan of attack have already been approved by Congress, and as I said, stopping the immigration bill will not prevent what I've outlined here from happening — at most it will only delay the onset of some things. Unless something is done about NAFTA and CAFTA, and unless immigration is brought under control, we are in for big trouble.

Rectifying the situation will be no small accomplishment. We need help that can only come from above.

    "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chr. 7:14 NKJV

NOTES:

[1]  New American: Inviting Our Own Problems
By Kurt Hyde (Interview), 05–28 — 2007
http://www.jbs.org/node/3943

[2]  RenewAmerica: Preamble to QOTW
Tom Tancredo on CAFTA
http://www.renewamerica.us/forum/?date=050807&a=2

[3]  Wikipedia: North American Free Trade Agreement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA#Impact_on_Mexican_farmers

RenewAmerica analyst Joshua Herring also writes a column for RenewAmerica.

© 2007 Joshua Herring


The views expressed by RenewAmerica analysts are their own and do not necessarily reflect the position of Alan Keyes, RenewAmerica, or its affiliates.




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To: ConservativeMind; Quix; Czar; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; ...
While I agree with most of what the author has to say, I didn't write the article so don't feel responsible for defending it.

What I will do is give you more information than you can possibly read, 7 or 8 million articles on the subject. What you do with them is your decision. If you wish to read and learn so that you may make intelligent decisions regarding how you choose to protect your family, I'll cheer you on. However if you wish to hide and ignore the facts that are available to everyone, that too, is your decision and yours only.

Your comment" Oh, let’s not forget the conspiracy theory and how many people are involved. Of course, it isn’t just virtually every member of Congress and the President, but also the Supreme Court. As the author states, “When I consider the most recent Supreme Court decision pertaining to eminent domain, I think, ‘How utterly convenient that is, and what a coincidence.’” struck me as an interesting one.

Do you actually think that our legislators have the free time themselves or the finances available to them to staff a qualified investigative team necessary to research the links below? They are pretty much like any other employee in that they follow the orders given to them. When the head of a legislative comittee sends them a report saying I want you to vote yea on this subject, they do it without thinking. UNLESS the people from their district are having a screaming fit on the subject matter.

Most folks have no idea what "Agenda 21" is. Your city manager is probably well versed on the subject and one, two or three others in your local government. That's it. Nobody else knows squat about the subject even though it is the United Nations plan for future development of your community. What do you know about the subject? Have you even heard of it before?

These subjects are not secret. Journalists are ignorant about them and when they do start learning what is in store for us, it scares the hell out of them. So they tend to get emotional when writing their articles. I understand that, do you?

If you wish to live under "international laws" rather than our national and state laws that is your decision too. If you wish to know what the plans are for the future, please dig in and start learning.

I almost forgot, most of these subject have been discussed on FR so if you wish to refine your Google search add in hedgetrimmer, GeronL, ETERNAL WARMING, DoughtyOne, SierraWasp, Carry_Okie, calcowgirl or my name to the search. Have a good day.

Results 1 - 10 of about 76,800 for "North American Community". (0.19 seconds)

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141 posted on 06/18/2007 11:22:26 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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To: cpforlife.org

“All of Bush’s great work on the WOT is negated if terrorists can freely travel across wide open borders to attack us.

His basic premise was fight them on their turf or they’ll come here; well damn it how many have come across in the last 6 years.”

BINGO!!


142 posted on 06/18/2007 11:27:15 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: B4Ranch; Travis McGee; AuntB; Brad's Gramma; All

Bush has done nothing to protect our borders since 9/11. In fact, he has encouraged illegals by telling them we have work Americans won’t do! No conspiracy here? I don’t need a tin foil hat to explicate the obvious, do I ?


143 posted on 06/18/2007 11:33:30 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: littlehouse36; ConservativeMind; B4Ranch; stephenjohnbanker; All
I did a Freep search on North American Union with many results.

The one that stands out the most is:
11 states oppose North American Union
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1797916/posts

North American Union to Replace USA?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645455/posts
From the respected Human Events Magazine written by Jerome R. Corsi who helped write the swift boat book on Kerry.

Who would imagine that 11 State legislatures are overrun with a majority of conspiracy wackos... Nobody.

If 11 State Legislatures are addressing it, it's fairly out in the open but it's gotten NO MSM coverage. Most people are oblivious and giggle like morons when they hear about it.

So why are 11 State Legislatures so strenuously fighting against the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America http://www.spp.gov/

I also saw where Tom Tancredo is completely against it--FWIW.

Then I do my lunch time visit to Drudge and link over to WND and find this new book bt Corsi: "The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada,"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56222

Yes, they're selling a product and yes it is made to look ominous. Does that mean it isn't true?

I don't pretend to have all the answers but something appears very wrong.

144 posted on 06/18/2007 12:13:24 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

Open borders since 9/11 tells you all you need to know!


145 posted on 06/18/2007 12:20:56 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Quix

Just curious, do you get paid by the line?


146 posted on 06/18/2007 12:40:23 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; All
Here is what I would like someone to ask President Bush on live TV:

Mr. President, you have often commented regarding the WOT that in order to remain safe we have to be right 100% of the time while the terrorists only have to be right once.

How do you propose to continue that 100% record with our borders the way they are, especially since it’s been reported that terrorists have already come across them.

By refusing to secure our national borders aren't you needlessly jeopardizing us to another 9-11?

147 posted on 06/18/2007 12:42:49 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

If that article doesn’t make your hair stand on end, nothing will.


148 posted on 06/18/2007 12:46:13 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Quix

Thanks for all the extra info....it’s going to take me a week to wade through it all! But, I do thank you. Another week...and I’ll have time.


149 posted on 06/18/2007 1:08:38 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: littlehouse36; ConservativeMind; B4Ranch; stephenjohnbanker; All

FROM: Duncan Hunter gets warm reception at AZ Luncheon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1804321/posts
When asked about the North American Union, he replied, “The North American Union should be when California and Mexico stand with us in Iraq. They didn’t. I don’t support anything that takes away from the sovereignty of the United States.”

FROM: Duncan Hunter Is Real Ronald Reagan Candidate
posted June 17, 2007 http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_108958.asp
Almost all of the front runners in the Republican party have connections to the groups advocating a North American Union (including Fred Thompson, John McCain, and the
aforementioned candidates).

Candidate Duncan Hunter, on the other hand, has no such connections and has been working against amnesty and the North American Union. He holds more consistently to
conservative values than the other leading candidates, and believes in a strong national defense. In his district in California, he has worked tirelessly to build a border fence that works. In doing so, they reduced immigration by 90%. Duncan Hunter has conservative appeal in his strong conservative background, and will pull in Reagan
democrats in a general election because of his free market solutions to democrat issues.

In contrast to other posers, Duncan Hunter is a real Ronald Reagan candidate and worth a look.


150 posted on 06/18/2007 1:18:22 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

It’s called ‘marginalizing’, stephenjohn. On the immigration issue it has been used over and over even right here on FR. When they can’t push you aside with that tactic, then the insults start. First Bush just ignored us and we kept being told he’d get on board, it was ‘strategy’. Now he just insults us, like any other garden variety FROBL. Do you suppose they’ve noticed how outnumbered they are? They really are reminding us of just who has the ‘power’ and it isn’t us peasants. For now. They assume because they have no loyalties expcept to the $$$$, that most of us feel that way. They assume too much.


151 posted on 06/18/2007 1:23:19 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB

Thanks, well stated!


152 posted on 06/18/2007 2:24:05 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: cpforlife.org

>So why are 11 State Legislatures so strenuously fighting against the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.<

Now let me give you an example of how I think.

11 State Legislatures is 22 percent of the US Senators. When the vote is called what will the result be? MSM reports the Bill passed by a solid majority.

Welcome to the Newe World Order.


153 posted on 06/18/2007 4:12:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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To: B4Ranch

Great quote and perfect for this topic too. Thanks.
I am just lately learning about all of this. Eyes getting wide open!


154 posted on 06/18/2007 4:24:26 PM PDT by Brandie (I am for Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson, but then I am a Conservative.)
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To: B4Ranch

I realize this is not ‘scientific’, still it’s pretty interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you consider yourself to be
Republican 7% 716 votes

Democrat 21% 2237 votes

Independent 72% 7656 votes

Total: 10609 votes


155 posted on 06/18/2007 4:34:28 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: B4Ranch; joanie-f
"...but also the Supreme Court. As the author states, “When I consider the most recent Supreme Court decision pertaining to eminent domain, I think, ‘How utterly convenient that is, and what a coincidence.’” struck me as an interesting one."

After thinking long and hard about this issue, there has always been a few pieces missing from the NAU jigsaw puzzle, divided between the "why" and the "how" columns.

The tortured Kelo decision by SCOTUS gives us one more piece for the "how" section of that puzzle. Does anyone remember how Roberts voted?

156 posted on 06/18/2007 4:42:24 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: B4Ranch

Thanks tons.

Been a long time since I read about Agenda 21. Have even forgotten what it has to do with other than a vague notion of international control to the nth degree and returning vast areas to natural state or some such. But I could be wrong. Sometimes it all kind of mushes together.


157 posted on 06/18/2007 5:20:22 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; All

To repeat. W von Braun told his PhD assistant Carol Rosin in 1974

that a war

on terror had been scheduled by the puppet masters . . . to be followed by a war with Iraq . . .

to be followed by a war with ET in space.

Stay tuned.


158 posted on 06/18/2007 5:21:49 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: cpforlife.org

Excellent info. Thanks.

I appreciate Corsi a great deal.


159 posted on 06/18/2007 5:23:09 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: LiteKeeper

Your assaultive insult is 100%

WRONG.

I am semi-retired; teaching part time. I live with my step-dad after my mother died with Alzheimer’s.

I’d be back overseas as a lay missionary but God has not given me grace and permission etc. to go back yet.

I do what I can for worthy goals on FR. It’s more than a hobby.

If that frosts your cookies . . . get different cookies.

In the mean time, you’d do well to study the links B4Ranch provided at post

#141 as well as the NAU links at #144.

Some people cheer patriots on and some only throw rocks out of cluelessness, lack of awareness or bias and rigidity in their thinking or some other such.

I won’t be waiting for your applause.


160 posted on 06/18/2007 5:26:24 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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