Unlike the anti-immigration extremists, the President realizes that our only hope is to win over Hispanic voters.
And our President has completely lost his mind. The future better not be the illegal-Hispanic-invasion model or our country and all the value it has so far given the world is really lost. Just how useful has Mexico been to helping the rest of the world?
We can only hope and campaign for someone that really understands the seriousness of the problem.
I don’t know anyone here FRiend who is anti-immigration - on the other hand I know many who are anti-illegal immigration.
the anti-immigration extremists
If they want illegal immigration to remain illegal, I agree.
What’s extreme is making illegal immigration, legal.
....looks like you’re a recent immigrant here on FR.
Can you back up your assertions with any facts?
Who cares about the GOP if America is destroyed?
Regardless, these people are never going to vote republican. Pander all you want, the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens in this country will vote democrat if they become citizens.
Do you know any Latinos? The LEGAL ones I call family, the ones who spent 7-10 years becomming naturalized citizens by following something called THE LAW? They are screaming over this! Do you realize how much they worked to do it the right way only to have their efforts laughed at and to be insulted by the President himself?
It is self deceiving to believe that legal Latinos have any reason to be happy about this bill. It's insanity.
Why do you purposefully try to confuse the issue between illegal and legal immigration? You immediately lose credibility because those are lib tactics (which many in the GOP have been using lately).
How is the U.S. about to become a better place?
You say the underlying issue of the opposition is of a racial nature. Would you say Sammy Sosa and Geraldo Rivera are the same race?
As early as 10 years ago, when he was my representative, I was a regular at Newt’s Town Hall Meetings where I spoke in support of the FairTax. 70% or more of the others who took the mike were visibly ANGRY ABOUT THE FAILURE TO STOP THE GROWING FLOW OF ILLEGALS! (At several sessions, Newt suggested the 100,000 IRS agents be given weapons and sent down to the border with Mexico.)
Under Bush, that flow became a TORRENT!
I attempted to phone Isakson’s and Chambliss’ Senate offices on 5-21-07. In both cases, my call was dumped into a voice mailbox – where a cheery female voice informed me “The mailbox is full.”
They CLEARLY don’t care WHAT we think!
DO TRY TO GET THAT MEMORY OVER THE TRADITIONAL 20 NANOSECOND LEVEL AND HOLD THE THOUGHT THROUGH NOVEMBER ’08!
Newt Gingrich (he of the “Wet Finger in the Wind” school of politics) sent out an email on 5-21 which stated the following:
”The announcement last week that the White House and a group of senators have reached an agreement on "comprehensive immigration reform" should have the same effect that the word "iceberg" had on the passengers and crew of the Titanic. This proposed agreement is a disaster of the first order, and it will severely cripple America for the foreseeable future.
”You can tell how bad this bill is by the Senate Democratic leadership's announced goal of trying to pass it before the Memorial Day weekend.” Newt Gingrich
Duncan Hunter was on Larry King the other night. The somewhat hostile King showed a clip of Arlen "Magic Bullet" Specter bloviating on the Senate floor that it was not possible to "round up" all the illegals and deport them.
Hunter countered by saying that when a city in Colorado imposed REAL penalties on the magnet employers who were drawing the criminal invaders there, the invaders LEFT when the jobs dried up.
Some went to more “hospitable” locales. Many returned to Mexico.
That 5 pound Shamnisty bill they just voted could be cut to one paragraph calling for NATIONAL enforcement – with meaningful penalties – of that provision.
Sure works for me.
In ABSTRACT terms, this is the conspiratorial view of what’s going on vis-à-vis the INVASION of the illegals here:
The current alien invasion from the south serves BOTH the elites who run Mexico – and many of the OTHER states of Central and South America -- and the political ruling class who increasingly run the United States:
· It takes pressure off the 60 or so families who control approximately 80% of the wealth in Mexico. Without the northern “safety valve” (the United States) for their poor, those poor MIGHT be inclined to do what America’s early colonists found it necessary to do: Revolt! Parenthetically, that would be MY suggestion for them: Instead of fleeing here – and converting “here” to a larger, more poverty infested version of “there,” they ought to stay there and make “there” into their version of “here,” whatever that would be. Revolutions ARE messy and there are no guarantees that they will produce the desired result. But – according to one T. Jefferson – they are often necessary. Never forget that THIS country was born in revolution!
· For the NAFTA/CAFTA coveting US national ruling class – especially those who, in varying degrees, quest after some sort of One-World utopia run by guess who? – it provides yet another level of insecurity and tension among the indigenous populace which can be used to justify new and more draconian limits to freedom here. Instead of securing the borders, allow millions of illegals to come in and when the natives become alarmed, require a national ID card. “Your papers, please!” will soon become a phrase familiar to all. It’s Mr. Franklin’s trade of freedom for (false) security. It’s also the time-tested Hegelian Dialectic the One-Worlders have successfully worked like a rented mule.
While they occasionally squabble among themselves, the elites of history have ALL had one thing in common: They will do ANYTHING to remain in charge. And throughout that history, except for the 230 year-old experiment in freedom called “America,” most of the men who have walked the earth have lived as slaves to these elites whether they call themselves kings, emperors, potentates, sultans, czars – or presidents.
Get ready, folks. Unless some SERIOUS changes are made and the handful of Americans who CARE about liberty get involved, that history will almost certainly repeat here.
Now for the SPECIFICS of the matter:
My take on Bush's role in all of this is:
1. His long and apparently positive experience with the large hispanic population in Texas is largely responsible for his inaction on this alien invasion. And why wouldn't HIS experience with them be positive as he traveled in the highest, best-educated circles among them, not the Hispanic gangbangers and pine-straw spreaders...
2. His brother Jeb is married to a native of Mexico and his nieces and nephews are mixed blood. And before you scream "ethnocentric bigot" at me, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. But that fact -- and the first item -- DOES predispose him to a warm and fuzzy feeling for folks from south of the Rio Grande.
And if -- in some strange and metastasizing American desire for a new royal family dynasty -- Jeb should win the White House in some future presidential beauty contest designed to divert the American electorate every four years, I'd bet that HIS activities toward this alien invasion will make W's behavior look like a warm-up exercise.
Any vestige of white European culture will be a distant memory.
First, that is not going to happen. Latino Voting in the 2006 Election Realignment to the GOP Remains Distant The Dems are going to get all of the benefits and we will get all the blame. It will also destroy the Rep Party.
More importantly, if it is a matter of crass political calculation to pander to the Hispanic vote and sacrifice the future of this country in the process, then Bush is worthy of our contempt and scorn.
True enough. That's why the GOP mayor of Hazelton lost his primary battle.
Ooops, wait, he won resoundingly. Oh, and he won the Dem primary as well. With write-in votes.
Take your Bush-Aide and serve it to those still willing to drink it.
You said: Unlike the anti-immigration extremists, the President realizes that our only hope is to win over Hispanic voters.
I say: There is NO Hispanic vote. Nor will there ever be. They are not interested.
This is what I see everyday.
The Hispanic in my area are not interested in assimilating, nor becoming American citizens. They don’t want to learn or speak English. They don’t want to pay taxes. They send back to Mexico over half of the money they make from “labor pool” jobs.
No political party should depend on being supported by these people. They are here for what they can get. They are not interested in giving anything to the U.S. or to any political party.
And they are getting plenty. Free education for their children; free handouts by the many religious outreach programs, free medical care, free ride on most taxes and fees: auto license and tags, income and payroll taxes, property taxes.
“Unlike the anti-immigration extremists, the President realizes that our only hope is to win over Hispanic voters.”
The Hispanic voting block is the fastest growing voting block in America, but what makes you think the majority of them will vote Republican? And even if they did how many true blue American born conservatives would not go to the polls in 08, or just vote for some third party guy out of anger and protest. Remember Ross Perot? Thanks to many of us voting for him because we were angry with the read my lips lie, we got Bill Clinton.
What are you saying? That only 3rd world uneducated peasants (&terrorists along with them) can save this country? Why, then, can't they save their own??
And it's anti ILLLEGAL immigration extremists, thank you.
Stop blurring the line, troll.
We support LEGAL, RESTRICTED immigration, in which immigrants come here and ASSIMILATE and learn our culture and values.
We are adamantly opposed to ILLEGAL immigration, in which ILLEGAL ALIENS come through our porous borders and wreak havoc in our communities.
And then you woke up.
New Mood From New Citizens (Latinos Reject Republican Party)
I don't know why I'm bothering answering this comment...but hey. Apparently you've not seen the pictures of the marches put on by the illegals, have you?