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Who is Illiberal on Immigration?
Real Clear Politics ^ | June 14, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/13/2007 9:34:09 PM PDT by gpapa

The collapse last week of a comprehensive immigration bill in Congress that called for a huge guest-worker program, fast-track visas and a sort of earned citizenship for illegal aliens has unleashed a backlash against those opponents of it who prefer to close the border first and legislate the details of illegal immigration later.

Washington pundits and Beltway politicians are furious at various critics of the bill, from radio talk show hosts and writers for conservative magazines to frontline congressional representatives and Republican presidential candidates like Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson.


(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; elections; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; noamnestyforillegals; vampirebill; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: California Patriot

Fred does have a voting record. Do you know the last time a former senator was elected president?


21 posted on 06/13/2007 10:31:33 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: TheLion

Let’s not think negative. Let’s see how Fred manages in the primary campaign. I think that will tell us something.


22 posted on 06/13/2007 10:33:28 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot

I looked it up!

To date, fifteen senators have gone onto serve in the nation’s highest elected office, the presidency. Two senators, Warren G. Harding and John F. Kennedy, moved directly from the U.S. Senate to the White House.

(Photo: Warren G. Harding. Senate Historical Office)


James Monroe

Senator, 1790-1794

President, 1817-1825


John Quincy Adams

Senator, 1803-1808

President, 1825-1829


Andrew Jackson

Senator, 1797-1798; 1823-1825

President, 1829-1837


Martin Van Buren

Senator, 1821-1828

President, 1837-1841


William Henry Harrison

Senator, 1825-1828

President, 1841


John Tyler

Senator, 1827-1836

President, 1841-1845


Franklin Pierce

Senator, 1837-1842

President, 1853-1857


James Buchanan

Senator, 1834-1845

President, 1857-1861


Andrew Johnson

Senator, 1857-1862; 1875

President, 1865-1869


Benjamin Harrison

Senator, 1881-1887

President, 1889-1893


Warren G. Harding

Senator, 1915-1921

President, 1921-1923


Harry S. Truman

Senator, 1935-1945

President, 1945-1953


John F. Kennedy

Senator, 1953-1960

President, 1961-1963


Lyndon B. Johnson

Senator, 1949-1961

President, 1963-1969


Richard M. Nixon

Senator, 1950-1953

President, 1969-1974

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_became_president.htm


23 posted on 06/13/2007 10:34:01 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: California Patriot

I have always loved Fred. I happen to think Romney is a better candidate right now. Fred is going to need a tremendous amount of energy to run a campaign against Romney. Does he have it? I want him to get in the ring and debate. Then we will see where things fall.


24 posted on 06/13/2007 10:36:51 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Obie Wan
we are the elite and you and your type are nothing more then a pimple on the ass of humanity,so shut the “F” up and get out of the way cause we’re going to do what we want whether you like it or not !!!

Except they wouldn't say it that nicely.

25 posted on 06/13/2007 10:40:15 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe ("I'll see you at the bill signing" - Pres Bush)
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To: California Patriot

See post 17 .
A true indicator will be to watch Fred Barnes and his masters at the Weakly Standard. When they finally realize that their chosen boy McPain is done , I suspect they will gravitate towards Thompson . The Weakly Standard has disdain for any candidate who isn’t what they would consider a “Hawkish Washington Insider” . McPain is one and Thompson would be the other.


26 posted on 06/13/2007 10:58:43 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (No bill is better than a bill legalizing 12 to 20 million new Dims ......)
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To: familyop

Related in what way?


27 posted on 06/13/2007 11:20:18 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: gpapa
"Related in what way?"

...third-world labor both here and abroad, despite defense considerations.


28 posted on 06/13/2007 11:29:44 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.)--has-been])
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To: TheLion

If he supported provisions in the amendment which reportedly continued chain migration and in fact expand it to other relatives why did Fred ultimately vote against the Simpson Amendment with 79 other Senators. There is no proof offered that Fred supported adding adult relatives to the amendment unless his own statements on the Senate floor or elsewhere support that conclusion.


29 posted on 06/13/2007 11:43:33 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: California Patriot

That amendment which was designed to increase chain migration in 1996 was defeated 80-20, and Fred joined 79 other Senators to defeat it. Ask yourself why it was such a lopsided vote.


30 posted on 06/13/2007 11:48:09 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: TheLion

It seems that on the Democrate side all of the front-running candidates are or were Senators. When was the last time a mayor or Congressman was elected President?


31 posted on 06/13/2007 11:51:08 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


32 posted on 06/13/2007 11:51:39 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: familyop

Where and when has Fred advocated bringing third world labor here to our shores.


33 posted on 06/13/2007 11:54:11 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: gpapa

This is not over yet. Bush refuses to give up this easily. It's his stubborn character. He will try to resurrect it and call it something else. We have to keep our guard up. We need to keep the pressure up.

STAGE TWO is to go after the people who hire illegals. Start giving them fines and arresting them. Just catch ten or 100 of them on the nightly news. The magnet will dry up and most of the 12 million will go home by themselves.

As an addendum, we should anonymously call the IRS, people working "off the books" means taxes ain't being paid. Make anonymous fliers and hang them around the neighborhood, name names. It's time to embarrass these bustards, whether they give to the GOP or Rats, we don't need them.

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

34 posted on 06/14/2007 12:00:56 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: gpapa
"Where and when has Fred advocated bringing third world labor here to our shores."

I didn't post the whole text, because it is long.

Fred Thompson’s voting record on immigration issues
http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=TN&VIPID=743
35 posted on 06/14/2007 1:13:00 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.)--has-been])
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To: familyop

“Fred Thompson’s voting record on immigration issues disagrees much with his rhetoric.”

Fred Thompson, in my opinion, is just the flavor of the month. The Dems have Obama, the Republicans have Fred. I am beginning to have the old Steve Goodman song “Election Year Reg” run thru my mind alot.

If you feel like you need a scorecard
Well, you really don’t have to fuss
You know the winner is always somebody else
And the loser is always us
Shake it to the east, shake it to the west
Hand me down my bullet proof vest
It’s nobody’s choice and it’s anybody’s guess
So do that election, there ain’t no selection
Do that election year rag


36 posted on 06/14/2007 1:29:58 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: gpapa

Here’s my main concern. All should be concerned about it.

Fred Thompson is Chairman of an advisory board in our State Dept.

Israel Asks U.S. to Ship Rockets With Wide Blast-State Department seeks to delay supply
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1681771/posts

Civilian import and merchant constituents could influence military decisions in the next executive administration about as well as they are influencing the current Administration. Higher freight fuel prices today would cut into their profits during a military conflict.

Commander’s veto sank Gulf buildup (Admiral Fallon opposes military move against Iran?)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834992/posts

Top US War Boss: We Can’t Ignore Iran [No other way but “arrangement” with Iran.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1840806/posts

Military action in Iran not in anyones interest, says Gates
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1843874/posts

Gates declines to say who is winning war on terror
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844996/posts

While such political enterprise is in motion, Iran is building a nuclear arsenal with a plan to arm its Islamo-fascist friends in other nations. As Iran does so, Russia might change her mind about staying out of the impending unavoidable physical fray.

Oil prices will get much higher for a lot longer, if Iran is allowed to build its nuclear weaponry. But with our generation, business is all about “Where do you want to go today?” [TM/SM Microsoft]

How will a herd of libertine, anti-defense civilians who only care about what they can get today command our military forces after their next candidate is president?

Duncan Hunter is a Vietnam combat veteran. He was a member of the 173rd Airborne and 75th Army Rangers. He earned a Bronze Star and was Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, until the Democrat majority was voted in during the 2006 election. Congressman Hunter continues to work in the Armed Services Committee. Our nation’s defense and strength are his highest priorities—not special interests.


37 posted on 06/14/2007 1:45:57 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.)--has-been])
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To: Bogtrotter52

Thank you. That was well considered and written.


38 posted on 06/14/2007 1:53:43 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.)--has-been])
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To: TheLion

But Fred isn’t a “former senator”. If he runs, he will be a “former actor”. There was another candidate in that category, and the outcome was quite different.


39 posted on 06/14/2007 3:46:22 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: gpapa

READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE!!!
Victor Davis Hanson lays it all out!


40 posted on 06/14/2007 4:33:31 AM PDT by dennisw (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction)
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