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In Vermont, nascent secession movement gains traction
Boston.com ^ | 03 June 2007 | John Curran

Posted on 06/04/2007 1:18:58 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

At Riverwalk Records, the all-vinyl record store just down the street from the state Capitol, the black "US Out of Vt.!" T-shirts are among the hottest sellers.

But to some people in Vermont, the idea is bigger than a $20 novelty. They want Vermont to secede from the United States -- peacefully, of course.

Disillusioned by what they call an empire about to fall, a small cadre of writers and academics is plotting political strategy and planting the seeds of separatism.

They've published a "Green Mountain Manifesto" subtitled "Why and How Tiny Vermont Might Help Save America From Itself by Seceding from the Union." They hope to put the question before citizens at Town Meeting Day next March, eventually persuading the state Legislature to declare independence, returning Vermont to the status it held from 1777 to 1791.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: angryleftwing; secession; vermont
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To: MrB

Mark Steyn once mentioned Vermont is an honorary member of the European Union demography wise. It will not be long for the country to be empty of people. The alternative would be the whole population consists of retirees (rich ones at 50, 60, 70) who worked in free market manners personally but hold socialist beliefs and decide to retire there and then vote in high taxations. Having got trust or off-shore accounts stacked they won’t pay any tax, it forces the tax on the rapidly shrinking working age people.

Either way they will go bankrupt in 20 years and will claw to Brussels, Ottawa, London, or horrors, Washington, for bailout.


41 posted on 06/04/2007 1:46:32 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
in which states “secede” from the whole federal social engineering and wealth redistribution apparatus, and otherwise remain part of the union.

We tried that once. They called it the "Constitution of the United States of America".

42 posted on 06/04/2007 1:46:39 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Bye bye Bernie Sanders....!


43 posted on 06/04/2007 1:48:12 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: IslandJeff

You’re right. If the federal government were held to strict Constitutional standards, each state would be exactly as he describes.


44 posted on 06/04/2007 1:52:26 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I fully support their right to secession, as a semi-southerner and states rights supporter! I welcome Good ‘Ole Bernie (and Howard “The Duck” Dean’s) Exit from the US!


45 posted on 06/04/2007 1:53:03 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: JSDude1

I think you guys should strip them of US citizenships at independence. And then require visas to enter the United States. Erect stringent border controls on both borders and subject every one of them 3-hour interrogations and searches each time they enter the United States.


47 posted on 06/04/2007 1:56:00 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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To: IslandJeff

The way I see it:

NATION 1: Vermont, Ontario, the Maritime Provinces and Nunavut, and any other New England states that would like to join.

NATION 2: Quebec

NATION 3: Mexico, Puerto Rico, New Mexico

NATION 4: California, Western Washington, Western Oregon, Southwestern British Columbia, Hawaii.

NATION 5: The rest of the United States, plus Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Yukon and whatever they call the rest of the Northwestern Territories, after they carved Nunavut out of them.


48 posted on 06/04/2007 1:56:46 PM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: MrB

Thanks. Not to “monday morning quarterback” too much, but I think the concept of “united statehood” ended around WWI - we were doing so damned well that we had to go to war.

Which, the Fed with its new legs, became the mechanism for the “Progressive Era”, urged on by lobbying and a bored judiciary.

Then came the “New Deal” and WW2. IMHO, we have, as conservatives, a target to shoot for. It was Republicans who ended slavery, as it is, well, blatantly Unconstitutional.


49 posted on 06/04/2007 1:57:11 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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To: IslandJeff
...a small cadre of writers and academics is plotting political strategy and planting the seeds of separatism...

I doubt if this small cadre of academics and writers is thinking of setting up a free trade zone. And as someone once said, I'd rather be governed by fifty names chosen at random from the phone book than the faculty of Harvard!

50 posted on 06/04/2007 1:58:44 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: dangus

Nice work. Not sure about #3 - PR might feel a little differently, but I’d add Louisiana to #2.


51 posted on 06/04/2007 1:59:40 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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To: NZerFromHK

Exactly: AND NO ILLIGAL IMMIGRATION (From the Nation of Vermont ;) )!


52 posted on 06/04/2007 2:00:27 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: dangus

That may very well be the way, it is..(in the future, Unfortunately)..


53 posted on 06/04/2007 2:02:56 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: snowrip
Well, the people anyway. They gotta' leave the land and fixtures in place though.

The country won't miss any of these guys.

54 posted on 06/04/2007 2:03:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JSDude1

I still remember they cried “join Canada!” after 2004, but apparently they figured out Stephen Harper makes that country more conservative and thus no more to their liking, so they want to try secession and independence.


55 posted on 06/04/2007 2:05:40 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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To: Empireoftheatom48
“...a certain demographic started moving in in the late 60’s and early 70’s.”

It’s funny how these liberal socialists flee the hell holes they created through their Bolshevik policies. And then what do they do? They immediately try to force the same PC krap down our throats and want to make their new home an image of the previous. Doesn’t make any sense to me.

56 posted on 06/04/2007 2:09:50 PM PDT by Gum Shoe
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To: NZerFromHK; Sidebar Moderator

Dupe Thread - cross-reference

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1844160/


57 posted on 06/04/2007 2:11:51 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

But don’t question their patriotism...


58 posted on 06/04/2007 2:15:10 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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I guess they’re willing to give up their precious Social Security payments and their Medicare.....


59 posted on 06/04/2007 2:17:39 PM PDT by clintonh8r (..taking down my picture of El Presidente Boosh, Mrs. clintonh8r and me.)
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To: dangus

good post.


60 posted on 06/04/2007 2:24:19 PM PDT by spanalot
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