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Net taxes could arrive by this fall
CNET News.com ^ | May 23, 2007 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 06/04/2007 12:35:31 PM PDT by George W. Bush

The era of tax-free e-mail, Internet shopping and broadband connections could end this fall, if recent proposals in the U.S. Congress prove successful.

State and local governments this week resumed a push to lobby Congress for far-reaching changes on two different fronts: gaining the ability to impose sales taxes on Net shopping, and being able to levy new monthly taxes on DSL and other connections. One senator is even predicting taxes on e-mail.

At the moment, states and municipalities are frequently barred by federal law from collecting both access and sales taxes. But they're hoping that their new lobbying effort, coordinated by groups including the National Governors Association, will pay off by permitting them to collect billions of dollars in new revenue by next year.

If that doesn't happen, other taxes may zoom upward instead, warned Sen. Michael Enzi, a Wyoming Republican, at a Senate hearing on Wednesday. "Are we implicitly blessing a situation where states are forced to raise other taxes, such as income or property taxes, to offset the growing loss of sales tax revenue?" Enzi said. "I want to avoid that."

A flurry of proposals that pro-tax advocates advanced this week push in that direction. On Tuesday, Enzi introduced a bill that would usher in mandatory sales tax collection for Internet purchases. Second, during a House of Representatives hearing the same day, politicians weighed whether to let a temporary ban on Net access taxes lapse when it expires on November 1. A House backer of another pro-sales tax bill said this week to expect a final version by July.

"The independent and sovereign authority of states to develop their own revenue systems is a basic tenet of self government and our federal system," said David Quam, director of federal relations at the National Governors Association, during a Senate Commerce committee hearing on Wednesday.

Internet sales taxes

At the moment, for instance, Seattle-based Amazon.com is not required to collect sales taxes on shipments to millions of its customers in states like California, where Amazon has no offices. (Californians are supposed to voluntarily pay the tax owed when filing annual state tax returns, but few do.)

Ideas to alter this situation hardly represent a new debate: officials from the governors' association have been pressing Congress to enact such a law for at least six years. They invoke arguments--unsuccessful so far--like saying that reduced sales tax revenue threatens budgets for schools and police.

But with Democrats now in control of both chambers of Congress, the political dynamic appears to have shifted in favor of the pro-tax advocates and their allies on Capitol Hill. The NetChoice coalition, which counts as members eBay, Yahoo and the Electronic Retailing Association and opposes the sales tax plan, fears that the partisan shift will spell trouble.

One long-standing objection to mandatory sales tax collection, which the Supreme Court in a 1992 case left up to Congress to decide, is the complexity of more than 7,500 different tax agencies that each have their own (and frequently bizarre) rules. Some legal definitions (PDF) tax Milky Way Midnight candy bars as candy and treat the original Milky Way bar as food. Peanut butter Girl Scout cookies are candy, but Thin Mints or Caramel deLites are classified as food.

The pro-tax forces say that a concept called the Streamlined Sales Tax Agreement will straighten out some of the notorious convolutions of state tax laws. Enzi's bill, introduced this week, relies on the agreement when providing "federal authorization" to require out-of-state retailers "to collect and remit the sales and use taxes" due on the purchase. (Small businesses with less than $5 million in out-of-state sales are exempted.)

It's "important to level the playing field for all retailers," Enzi said during Wednesday's hearing.

While it's too early to know how much support Enzi's bill will receive, foes of higher taxation are marshaling their allies. Sen. Ted Stevens, an Alaska Republican, said Wednesday that he'd like "to see an impregnable ban on taxes on the Internet."

A taxing question

Pro-tax and antitax forces are jockeying for position before a Net access tax moratorium expires in November. Also on the table: a proposal to usher in mandatory online sales taxes.

Enzi bill: Ushers in mandatory sales taxes on Internet purchases.

S. 156: Renews expiring access tax moratorium permanently.

H.R. 1077: Renews expiring access tax moratorium permanently and eliminates grandfather provision permitting nine states to collect taxes.

H.R. 763: Renews expiring access tax moratorium permanently.

Jeff Dircksen, the director of congressional analysis at the National Taxpayers Union in Alexandria, Va., said in written testimony prepared for the hearing: "If such a system of extraterritorial collection is allowed, Congress will have opened the door to any number of potential tax cartels that will eventually harm rather than help taxpayers."

Internet access taxes

A second category of higher Net taxes is technically unrelated, but is increasingly likely to be linked when legislation is debated in Congress later this year. That category involves access taxes, meaning taxes that local and state governments levy to single out broadband or dial-up connections. (See CNET News.com's Tech Politics podcast this week with former House Majority Leader Dick Armey on this point.)

If the temporary federal moratorium is allowed to expire in November, states and municipalities will be allowed to levy a dizzying array of Net access taxes--meaning a monthly Internet connection bill could begin to resemble a telephone bill or airline ticket with innumerable and confusing fees tacked on at the end. In some states, telephone fees, taxes and surcharges run as high as 20 percent of the bill.

These fees that states levy on mobile phones, cable TV and landlines run far higher than state sales taxes at an average of 13.3 percent, cost the average household $264 a year, and total $41 billion annually, according to a report published by the Chicago-based Heartland Institute this month. Landlines are taxed at the highest rate, 17.23 percent, with Internet access being virtually tax free, with the exception of a few states that were grandfathered in a decade ago.

Dircksen, from the National Taxpayers Union, urged the Senate on Wednesday to "encourage economic growth and innovation in the telecommunications sector--in contrast to higher taxes, fees and additional regulation" by at least renewing the expiring moratorium, and preferably making it permanent. Broadband providers like Verizon Communications also want to make the ban permanent.

But state tax collectors are steadfastly opposed to any effort to renew the ban, let alone impose a permanent extension. Harley Duncan, the executive director of the Federation of Tax Administrators, said Wednesday that higher taxes will not discourage broadband adoption and his group "urges Congress not to extend the Act because it is disruptive of and poses long-term dangers for state and local fiscal systems."

Sen. Daniel Inouye, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, said: "Listening to the testimony, I would opt for a temporary extension, if at all."

If the moratorium expires, one ardent tax foe is predicting taxes on e-mail. A United Nations agency proposed in 1999 the idea of a 1-cent-per-100-message tax, but retreated after criticism. (A similar proposal, called bill "602P," is, however, actually an urban legend.)

"They might say, 'We have no interest in having taxes on e-mail,' but if we allow the prohibition on Internet taxes to expire, then you open the door on cities and towns and states to tax e-mail or other aspects of Internet access," said Sen. John Sununu, a New Hampshire Republican. "We need to be honest about what we're endorsing and what we're opposing."



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To: George W. Bush

They think it’s their money to waste on their “pet projects” and that we have no claim on it despite we’ve worked hard for our money.


21 posted on 06/04/2007 1:01:16 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: George W. Bush
...If that doesn't happen, other taxes may zoom upward instead, warned Sen. Michael Enzi, a Wyoming Republican, at a Senate hearing on Wednesday. "Are we implicitly blessing a situation where states are forced to raise other taxes, such as income or property taxes, to offset the growing loss of sales tax revenue?" Enzi said. "I want to avoid that." Perhaps Sen Enzi should consider reducing spending rather than seeking more ways to squeeze tax revenues out of the people. That he is claiming to be a Republican disgusts me, this thinking is no different than that of Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave that his party has been taken over by the tax and spend crowd.
22 posted on 06/04/2007 1:04:00 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: George W. Bush
"The Dims will help their governors impose massive taxes on internet commerce"

Looks to me like the Republicans aren't being bashful about imposing internet taxes either. Has Enzi changed parties or are Republicans who propose new taxes exempt from criticism?

23 posted on 06/04/2007 1:06:27 PM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: George W. Bush

Tax the internet/email... I see this story every year.


24 posted on 06/04/2007 1:08:40 PM PDT by chaos_5 (1-800-882-2005 Amnesty Hot-line!)
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To: George W. Bush

Dems are working on it now. When we least expect it they will pass a bill and it will be too late to comment on it.


25 posted on 06/04/2007 1:10:10 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (dems are bad for our health)
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To: George W. Bush

Another way of controlling the masses and replenish the public coffers for more unnecessary spending.


26 posted on 06/04/2007 1:10:32 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: George W. Bush

I think the scumbag politicians should stop referring to us as tax payers and citizens and start referring to us as cash cows. No more taxes!!!!!!I’m taxed/tapped out!

Hello...anybody listing???


27 posted on 06/04/2007 1:10:41 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (Liberals, A terrorists best friend!)
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To: George W. Bush

bookmark


28 posted on 06/04/2007 1:12:17 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I just finished a career driving the homeless and mentally ill to their psychiatric appointments. You would be amazed at the SSI, SSDI, prescription meds, housing assistance, and other continual money these people are given to blow on booze and cigarettes because some doctor says they have a bad back. We are often paying for their prescription drugs which include Klonipin, Vicodin, and other feel good pills for these people.

The media never allows the parasites to be debated as part of Social Security reform. These are able bodied people in their thirties who live off the working folks. That part of it never enters any politician’s mind. Instead, they always want more of our money, from the people who work for a living. The politicians are like dope fiends themselves, and they spend money like crackheads in an alley.

29 posted on 06/04/2007 1:12:44 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way. No Mitt . No way. No McCain. No way.)
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To: 4yearlurker
"If all these taxes do go into effect I am off the Internet for good. I lived just fine before the Net came around."

Same here, lurker. I buy things that I would not buy if I had to go someplace to get them. Plus I waste time that I had better uses for previously. I refuse to give the gov't taxes on my pathetic s-l-o-w dial-up which is all that is available since I live in the sticks. I pay more than enough for it already. Time to take a stand if this goes into effect.

30 posted on 06/04/2007 1:12:50 PM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: Gondring

” Even if the retailer doesn’t collect sales tax, the purchaser is responsible for sending in the “Use Tax” to his home state.)

So...where are all the people screaming for enforcement of THESE laws?”

The problem with the state and use taxes is that the states vastly overestimate the amount of tax owed. In maine the latest claimes from the state totaled thousands of dollars of internet sales for every man, woman and child in the state to reach their total.

This is simply more government greed.


31 posted on 06/04/2007 1:15:00 PM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: chaos_5
Tax the internet/email... I see this story every year.

But the previous efforts weren't serious. We could rely on the GOP House majority who were very steadfast on at least this one issue.

The Dims want money. Big, big money. If you saw that debate last night, you should know that they've got to raise a lot of money to fund all their giveaway programs. And they want the money now, this year, to buy the votes they'll need in '08. And it will shore up their 27 (or so) governors out in the states in all their wild spending and re-election plans.

I've been dismissive of past attempts to tax the internet. But this one is for real.
32 posted on 06/04/2007 1:15:13 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

Email should not be taxed, and you would see a revolt on that one.

However, after 13 years its pretty clear online commerce is well established and it no longer should be exempted from the taxes that other businesses must pay.


33 posted on 06/04/2007 1:15:34 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: K-oneTexas
The only real option is tax reform.

The only solution is TRUE campaign finance reform. Give each Congressional candidate $1 million. Incumbent or challenger. That's it. No more, and no one is allowed to contribute a single dime. Incumbents who use office expenses to campaign will be thrown out of office. No warnings or appeals. End of special interests and whores for the highest bidder. No rich candidates like Perot or Bloomberg to steal a seat. Make incumbents totally vulnerable.

Of course Congress would never agree to this, so the states have to amend the Constitution themselves without Congress.

34 posted on 06/04/2007 1:18:06 PM PDT by montag813 (No More Bushes. Ever. Put it in the Constitution.)
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To: Arthalion
Nothing short of a per-kilobit tax would stop people from working around the tax

That won't work either, once internet is delivered over power lines.

35 posted on 06/04/2007 1:18:58 PM PDT by montag813 (No More Bushes. Ever. Put it in the Constitution.)
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To: Jim Verdolini

Does the technology exist for someone to build a satelite based system, so folk could download data like we download GPS location info? If a satelite system is possible, then the country could still get their service and the government could whine about it as the deliver would be offshore.


36 posted on 06/04/2007 1:19:35 PM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: Gondring

The 900 pound gorilla in the china ship is.. eBay.

I don’t get it though - and I see this a lot - somebody (Stuff4U) sells a used item - say, a 45 record album of Zeps “Hey, Hey, What Can I Do”, or vintage T-shirt, or whatever, doesn’t matter. But the point is - it’s a *used* item.

“Tennessee residents add 6.5% state sales tax.” Why? Sure, the seller is just covering their assets, but the fact is, the taxes were already paid on that item.

But what’s going to happen when it’s mandatory and uniform across the board? A lot of taxes are being collected that aren’t being paid into the state? Is that what it is? “Level the playing field” translates to “optimize revenue stream.”


37 posted on 06/04/2007 1:20:19 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: 4yearlurker
If all these taxes do go into effect I am off the Internet for good. I lived just fine before the Net came around.

That’s fine for you but for people my age, “before the Net” is ancient history best filed alongside the Dark Ages. I use it for pretty much everything except food (and I could do that if I wanted). For me, no net means no job and an end to my way of life.

So with or without taxes I’m still going to use the net and I’m sure I’m not the only one without that choice. So if you’ll excuse me, I have some Congressmen to e-mail…
38 posted on 06/04/2007 1:23:08 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: George W. Bush
Seriously though, do you think a handful of conservatives are going to be able to stand in the way of the majority Dems and a new tax? I full expect half of the GOP to roll over with them and we will have another 200yr tax on our hands.

Elections have consequences.

Not to be overly pessimistic, but between all the BS with Immigration and Global Warming etc. I just don't think we much matter. Clearly the Libs and RINOs rule the day.

39 posted on 06/04/2007 1:23:52 PM PDT by chaos_5 (1-800-882-2005 Amnesty Hot-line!)
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To: George W. Bush

The beginning of the end for the internet.


40 posted on 06/04/2007 1:38:12 PM PDT by Cedar
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