Warming Without SUVs On Neptune

IBD Editorials ^ | 2 June 2007 | Staff

[Kitten Festival]

Climate: A world that can't shut out Al Gore, environmental alarmists and hot-air celebrities can't avoid the hysterical warnings that Earth is warming. But who knew that Neptune appears to be getting hotter, too?

In a study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters, H.B. Hammel of the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colo., and G.W. Lockwood of Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Ariz., found that Neptune's brightness appears to correlate with temperature changes on Earth. They also noted that Neptune's temperature warmed from 1980 to 2004.

[HarmlessLovableFuzzball]

Neptune’s right next to Uranus. Assuming the core of Uranus is still warm, could hot gases be coming out of hole in Uranus, escaping its gravitational field and blowing over into Neptune ?

[martin_fierro]

Neptune’s right next to Uranus. Assuming the core of Uranus is still warm, could hot gases be coming out of hole in Uranus

Beg PARDON...?

[Lorianne]

The magnetic dipole axis of Neptune is tilted at an angle of 47o to the spin axis of the planet. The quadrupole moment of Neptune is quite large and makes a greater contribution to the surface magnetic field than on any other planet.

This means SUV’s cannot be driven on Neptune but rather must by rolled end on end in order to counter the gravitational forces therein. This would result in excess warmth through frictional entropy at mid-wobble.

[HarmlessLovableFuzzball]

A volcano .. is that too unrealistic to expect ? A volcanic eruption could send magma and sulfur dioxide flying off into the exosphere and beyond, depending on the strength of the gravitational field.

[Bob]

This means SUV’s cannot be driven on Neptune but rather must by rolled end on end in order to counter the gravitational forces therein. This would result in excess warmth through frictional entropy at mid-wobble.

Thank you for that explanation. I just knew it had to be those darned SUVs just like the Goracle says. (Makes about as much sense as man-made global warming, doesn't it?)

[ninonitti]

Does this mean the end of Neptune’s polar bears?

[Lorianne]

Don’t be silly. Polar bears don’t drive SUV’s.

Sheesh.

[FreedomCalls]

Neptune’s right next to Uranus.

Neptune is a little over twice as far from Uranus as Jupiter is from the Sun right now. And about nine times as far from each other as Earth is from the Sun. That's not "right next to" by a long shot.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

If the warming on Neptun correlates to the warming on Earth that would mean that the mean ambient temperature on Neptune would have warmed by the equivalent percentage of the mean ambient temperature on earth has warmed over the last century. Of course we dont have the measurements from Neptune from a century ago.

However, since solar radiation declines over distance by orders of magnitude (not percentages), and the temperature on Neptune is pretty darn low to begin with, the actual increase in temperature would be be a fraction of a degee at most.

To claim that there is any way to relate what happens on Neptune to what happens on earth sounds like an awful lot of bunk to me. I wonder what people on the right would say if an issue they supported was attempting to be debunked by those on the left by citing what was happening on Neptune? Tin foil anyone?

Data on Mars is perhaps relevant. Neptune is simply too far away and too different of a planet to matter.

[backhoe]

Uranus Ping List Don't ask to be added to or dropped from this list. Just don't.

 

[gakrak]

Oh my what will ALGORE do about those pesky Neptuneites polluting the atmosphere? Amen.

[AlexW]

Nothing new here. There are numerous references to warming in our entire solar system, all the way to Pluto.

The Goreons try to dismiss it as irrelevant, but I don’t know how they can say every place but earth is natural.

My favorite trick for the Goreons is to ask them to explain the MWP (Medieval Warm Period) when Greenland was green
and wine was produced in England. Temps were about 5 degrees warmer then now, and life thrived in Europe.

[49th]

Wait... what? Isn’t this about neptune?

[KeyWest]

-Data on Mars is perhaps relevant. Neptune is simply too far away and too different of a planet to matter-

It is difficult to understand this logic. Warming is occurring on several planets. The increase is about the same. But, for obvious reasons, it it discounted by proponents of GW/CC.

Our sun is still not understood very well in its influence on climate. The GW/CC group has discounted it since they say it is more or less constant, even though that is not true. Just think about harmonics. We know there is an 11 year sunspot cycle and that there are other cycles so why not even longer cycles? If you have harmonics, if two maxes coincide, you get a greater max and likewise for the minimums. Our record of sun activity is limited. We can see the outcome but have no idea what the cause is. We have discovered the elephant’s tail and are making invalid assumptions about the sun.

[49th]

Orders of magnitude could still be expressed as percentages.

[syriacus]

A volcano .. is that too unrealistic to expect ?

The only thing we need to do now, is determine if it was a man-made volcano.

If we are smart enough, we can still hang this around humanity's neck.

[49th]

While it is entirely probable, if not certain, that fluctuations in the sun effect weather patterns on earth, as a participant in the economy, I would advise that it is not in our best interest to make the effects of any of these fluctuations worse by our actions.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

How do you KNOW there aren’t any SUVs on Neptune? HMMM?

[Jeff F]

Check out the following graph which presents the correlation between the sun's output, warming on Earth and brightness on Neptune:

Figure 1 (a) represents the corrected visible light from Neptune from 1950 to 2006; (b) shows the temperature anomalies of the Earth; (c) shows the total solar irradiance as a percent variation by year; (d) shows the ultraviolet emission from the Sun (Source: Hammel and Lockwood (2007)).

See: www.worldclimatereport.com

While the Neptune's temperatures are not plotted, the article says that "infrared measurements of the planet since 1980 show that the planet has been warming steadily from 1980 to 2004".

What stands out is the obvious and very precise relationship between solar output and the mean temperature variance on Earth.