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Warming Without SUVs On Neptune
IBD Editorials ^ | 2 June 2007 | Staff

Posted on 06/03/2007 12:02:53 AM PDT by Kitten Festival

Climate: A world that can't shut out Al Gore, environmental alarmists and hot-air celebrities can't avoid the hysterical warnings that Earth is warming. But who knew that Neptune appears to be getting hotter, too?

In a study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters, H.B. Hammel of the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colo., and G.W. Lockwood of Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Ariz., found that Neptune's brightness appears to correlate with temperature changes on Earth. They also noted that Neptune's temperature warmed from 1980 to 2004.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: globalalarming; globalwarming; junkscience; leftists; neptune; solarwarming
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1 posted on 06/03/2007 12:02:54 AM PDT by Kitten Festival
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To: Kitten Festival

Neptune’s right next to Uranus. Assuming the core of Uranus is still warm, could hot gases be coming out of hole in Uranus, escaping its gravitational field and blowing over into Neptune ?


2 posted on 06/03/2007 12:25:12 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Neptune’s right next to Uranus. Assuming the core of Uranus is still warm, could hot gases be coming out of hole in Uranus

Beg PARDON...?

3 posted on 06/03/2007 12:38:29 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Kitten Festival

The magnetic dipole axis of Neptune is tilted at an angle of 47o to the spin axis of the planet. The quadrupole moment of Neptune is quite large and makes a greater contribution to the surface magnetic field than on any other planet.

This means SUV’s cannot be driven on Neptune but rather must by rolled end on end in order to counter the gravitational forces therein. This would result in excess warmth through frictional entropy at mid-wobble.


4 posted on 06/03/2007 12:51:30 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: martin_fierro

A volcano .. is that too unrealistic to expect ? A volcanic eruption could send magma and sulfur dioxide flying off into the exosphere and beyond, depending on the strength of the gravitational field.


5 posted on 06/03/2007 12:54:28 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Lorianne
This means SUV’s cannot be driven on Neptune but rather must by rolled end on end in order to counter the gravitational forces therein. This would result in excess warmth through frictional entropy at mid-wobble.

Thank you for that explanation. I just knew it had to be those darned SUVs just like the Goracle says. (Makes about as much sense as man-made global warming, doesn't it?)

6 posted on 06/03/2007 12:55:40 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Lorianne

Does this mean the end of Neptune’s polar bears?


7 posted on 06/03/2007 12:55:40 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti

Don’t be silly. Polar bears don’t drive SUV’s.

Sheesh.


8 posted on 06/03/2007 1:06:14 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Neptune’s right next to Uranus.

Neptune is a little over twice as far from Uranus as Jupiter is from the Sun right now. And about nine times as far from each other as Earth is from the Sun. That's not "right next to" by a long shot.

9 posted on 06/03/2007 1:26:17 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls; ninonitti; Lorianne; HarmlessLovableFuzzball; martin_fierro; Kitten Festival

If the warming on Neptun correlates to the warming on Earth that would mean that the mean ambient temperature on Neptune would have warmed by the equivalent percentage of the mean ambient temperature on earth has warmed over the last century. Of course we dont have the measurements from Neptune from a century ago.

However, since solar radiation declines over distance by orders of magnitude (not percentages), and the temperature on Neptune is pretty darn low to begin with, the actual increase in temperature would be be a fraction of a degee at most.

To claim that there is any way to relate what happens on Neptune to what happens on earth sounds like an awful lot of bunk to me. I wonder what people on the right would say if an issue they supported was attempting to be debunked by those on the left by citing what was happening on Neptune? Tin foil anyone?

Data on Mars is perhaps relevant. Neptune is simply too far away and too different of a planet to matter.


10 posted on 06/03/2007 2:05:48 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Kitten Festival; All

Uranus Ping List
Don't ask to be added to or dropped from this list. Just don't.
 

11 posted on 06/03/2007 2:16:38 AM PDT by backhoe (Fred Thompson- because No Other will Do...)
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To: Kitten Festival
Oh my what will ALGORE do about those pesky Neptuneites polluting the atmosphere? Amen.
12 posted on 06/03/2007 2:54:13 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Kitten Festival
Nothing new here. There are numerous references to warming in our entire solar system, all the way to Pluto.

The Goreons try to dismiss it as irrelevant, but I don’t know how they can say every place but earth is natural.

My favorite trick for the Goreons is to ask them to explain the MWP (Medieval Warm Period) when Greenland was green
and wine was produced in England. Temps were about 5 degrees warmer then now, and life thrived in Europe.

13 posted on 06/03/2007 3:03:34 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: Bob

Wait... what? Isn’t this about neptune?


14 posted on 06/03/2007 3:05:08 AM PDT by 49th (this space for rent)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

-Data on Mars is perhaps relevant. Neptune is simply too far away and too different of a planet to matter-

It is difficult to understand this logic. Warming is occurring on several planets. The increase is about the same. But, for obvious reasons, it it discounted by proponents of GW/CC.

Our sun is still not understood very well in its influence on climate. The GW/CC group has discounted it since they say it is more or less constant, even though that is not true. Just think about harmonics. We know there is an 11 year sunspot cycle and that there are other cycles so why not even longer cycles? If you have harmonics, if two maxes coincide, you get a greater max and likewise for the minimums. Our record of sun activity is limited. We can see the outcome but have no idea what the cause is. We have discovered the elephant’s tail and are making invalid assumptions about the sun.


15 posted on 06/03/2007 3:06:14 AM PDT by KeyWest (Help stamp out taglines!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Orders of magnitude could still be expressed as percentages.


16 posted on 06/03/2007 3:06:50 AM PDT by 49th (this space for rent)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
A volcano .. is that too unrealistic to expect ?

The only thing we need to do now, is determine if it was a man-made volcano.

If we are smart enough, we can still hang this around humanity's neck.

17 posted on 06/03/2007 3:09:55 AM PDT by syriacus ("...had the US troops remained [in S. Korea in 1949], there would have been no [Korean] War")
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To: KeyWest

While it is entirely probable, if not certain, that fluctuations in the sun effect weather patterns on earth, as a participant in the economy, I would advise that it is not in our best interest to make the effects of any of these fluctuations worse by our actions.


18 posted on 06/03/2007 3:11:01 AM PDT by 49th (this space for rent)
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To: Kitten Festival

How do you KNOW there aren’t any SUVs on Neptune? HMMM?


19 posted on 06/03/2007 3:15:57 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Check out the following graph which presents the correlation between the sun's output, warming on Earth and brightness on Neptune:

Figure 1 (a) represents the corrected visible light from Neptune from 1950 to 2006; (b) shows the temperature anomalies of the Earth; (c) shows the total solar irradiance as a percent variation by year; (d) shows the ultraviolet emission from the Sun (Source: Hammel and Lockwood (2007)).

See: www.worldclimatereport.com

While the Neptune's temperatures are not plotted, the article says that "infrared measurements of the planet since 1980 show that the planet has been warming steadily from 1980 to 2004".

What stands out is the obvious and very precise relationship between solar output and the mean temperature variance on Earth.

20 posted on 06/03/2007 4:12:25 AM PDT by Jeff F
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