Posted on 06/01/2007 5:22:56 PM PDT by Natural Law
I am really getting sick of the "Whiny Bitch" wing of the GOP blaming its conservative base for losing control of both houses and now undermining the party further by not continuing to fund or vote for a more slow descent into socialism. This shows a complete lack of integrity on their part.
I for one refuse to vote for a Democrat, even when they call themselves a Republican, no especially when they call themselves a Republican. In fact, I would vote for a Democrat before I would a RINO because they at least have the integrity to admit to what they are. I for damned sure refuse to give them any campaign contributions when they have demonstrated that they can't manage the tax dollars they collect in the trillions.
Ronald Reagan, who began as a Democrat, once said he didn't leave the Democrat party, it left him. Me withholding my votes and financial support for the Republican Party isn't because I have changed political philosophy or party affiliation. I am withholding my votes and supports because the Republican Party has morphed into the Democrat Party.
The Whiny Bitch wing will say that there is no alternative and that not voting means that the Democrat Party (the old one that has now morphed into the Socialist Party) will prevail. The Democrat Party, or at least its principles, is prevailing anyway. One only need look at the actual status of Secure borders, immigration reform, government spending, balance of trade, energy self-sufficiency, whacko environmentalism, and voter fraud to see this.
If the GOP doesn't right itself will fade to irrelevance and will be replaced by a conservative party. When either of these two options happen I will again break out the check book and resume voting. Until then I will refrain.
After 8 years of Hillary, do you really think there will be much of a country, as WE know it, left?
You really think another 8 years of Clinton-ism is actually survivable?????
No, you don't. You are supporting the same suicidal strategy of trying to "move to the middle" that has caused the very destruction of the GOP to begin with.
Depending on the political climate, the voters can come to the conclusion to tell conservatives to take a hike. It’s not impossible, it has happened before and will happen again.
Part of the GOP's loss in the mid-terms was due to historical trends. Nobody likes to see one party in control of government. (albeit, technically there is a one-party, they're just divided by halves) But most of their loss was that they abandoned the winning conservative principles that have made them successful.
Plenty of people don’t care much about taxes. Plenty of people reject what you call traditional values. There are even plenty of people who are against a strong defense.
That's just bunk. People are concerned about taxes and the cost of government. People deep down are concerned about the unchecked growth in entitlement spending and boondoggles in other federal programs.
If FR crafted a policy platform, it would strongly appeal to as many people as one crafted by DU. That is to say, not many people.
FR is not a political party, so your comparison is specious. Now if the GOP crafted a true conservative platform like they did in 1994, people would overwhelmingly support it.
Great Post!
BTTT!
You got it. Even party primaries are dominated by the more liberal and more conservative wings of the respective parties because these groups are the most passionate about their agendas.
Regular people, who in general are socially liberal, pro-national defense and fiscally conservative, vote in November after sorting through the fog of liberal and conservative appeals to try to come to some kind of decision making process.
Maybe you're too young to remember, but a conservative platform did very well in 1980, in 1984, and again in 1988. Very, very well. Landslide-victory type well.
I’m originally from WI too. Maybe it’s something in the water (The well too close to the outhouse or something). Lay it on them. Remember Sen. Joe McCarthy was from Wisconsin too.
That worked out well, didn't it?
I’d say most people in the general electorate instinctively lean conservative at a +10 or +15. though depending on circumstances, that group can range between -25 and +25.
I’d say the average Freeper is at +95 to +100. The Average DUer is at -95 to -100.
I’m at +70 or so, which around here makes me a RINO or socialist. Well, there you go.
Both the Republican and Democratic faithful have been ideologically boxed in. Neither will ever, ever go to the other side. Not ever. A populist would siphon off those folks.
The whole illegal immigrant thing is fascinating, though nobody wants to state the most obvious point: It can’t be halted. And even if by some miracle you do halt it, Mexico turns hugely unstable.
Bush I lost because he abandoned the Reagan legacy.
Hmmmm....I’ve been thinking a lot about the same thing in the past few months. Bush seems to have gone south on us in a big time way. I war effort is OK, but the immigation bill is a disaster waiting to happen that will compound the real problem, not eliminate it.
It makes me wonder if people in power start to think of themselves as far and above their party affiliation - that what they personally believe is far more important than what the party believes. Immigation could have been fixed in small steps - securing the border first - it’s just a no-brainer with virtually no lack of support from the party or Americans in general.
We all tend to think that we are smarter than most politicians - now I’m beginning to think that that is true.
For years, I’ve never thought that I’d be on the other side of Bush - now, I am.
My point is that what passes for the conventional wisdom on FR is rejected my many, many people. And that an amalgam of the typical Freeper’s values would appeal to probably not much more than 1-2% of the population.
What’s the historical trend in 2008? I think that a traditional GOP candidate tops out at around 200 EVs. Nothing much has changed with the GOP since election 2006. Most of the country thinks the GOP sucks. In some cases they are right. The good news is that they seem to be accepting hat the dems suck, too.
I don’t see how any of that necessarily helps us.
I was in the Army that year.
One day I ran into another trooper who was quite annoyed with me when I defended Carter and certain of his policies.
In time, I came to realize that I totally had my head up my butt, and I recognized that I had been so wrong about the man Carter.
I cannot undo the conversation that I had back then, but I am sorry now.
When Reagan won almost every state, I realized that I was missing something. I realized it even more later, Big Time.
I’ll try to not be so naive again in the future. I’ll try to explain it to future voters as well.
“...I would vote for a Democrat before I would a RINO because they at least have the integrity to admit to what they are....”
What RAT has integrity? What RAT ever admitted he was a flaming socialist?
1980 was a powerful rejection of Carter and the dems. 1984 was a powerful conservative victory, but the electorate kicked the GOP out of power in the senate two short years later. 1988 was a third term for Reagan that didn’t materialize.
1984 was a long time ago. The country isn’t as conservative as it was back then, sorry.
Even if everyone stayed with the party and everyone voted Republican, it still won't be good enough to beat the Mexican vote being added to the RAT party....
The IDIOTS in the GOP think they will keep their jobs because they think the Mexicans will vote for them, but they are dead wrong....
That worked out well, didn't it?
As Abraham Lincoln once said: "If you call a tail a leg, how many legs has a dog? Four, because calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one." Calling that pack of RINO's republicans doesn't make them Republicans when their actions clearly make them Democrats.
There is a remarkable inability for either side’s most dogged, dedicated soldiers to cope with the realities on the ground. Welcome to Fantasy Island.
I agree with you.
You can support the candidate who'll promise everything to everyone with only negligible differences between his/her opponent, and I'll support the candidate who's able to draw a sharp contrast and is confident that his beliefs are the right approach.
We'll see who wins.
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