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The GOP has left me.
Self | Juse 1, 2007 | Natural Law

Posted on 06/01/2007 5:22:56 PM PDT by Natural Law

I am really getting sick of the "Whiny Bitch" wing of the GOP blaming its conservative base for losing control of both houses and now undermining the party further by not continuing to fund or vote for a more slow descent into socialism. This shows a complete lack of integrity on their part.

I for one refuse to vote for a Democrat, even when they call themselves a Republican, no especially when they call themselves a Republican. In fact, I would vote for a Democrat before I would a RINO because they at least have the integrity to admit to what they are. I for damned sure refuse to give them any campaign contributions when they have demonstrated that they can't manage the tax dollars they collect in the trillions.

Ronald Reagan, who began as a Democrat, once said he didn't leave the Democrat party, it left him. Me withholding my votes and financial support for the Republican Party isn't because I have changed political philosophy or party affiliation. I am withholding my votes and supports because the Republican Party has morphed into the Democrat Party.

The Whiny Bitch wing will say that there is no alternative and that not voting means that the Democrat Party (the old one that has now morphed into the Socialist Party) will prevail. The Democrat Party, or at least its principles, is prevailing anyway. One only need look at the actual status of Secure borders, immigration reform, government spending, balance of trade, energy self-sufficiency, whacko environmentalism, and voter fraud to see this.

If the GOP doesn't right itself will fade to irrelevance and will be replaced by a conservative party. When either of these two options happen I will again break out the check book and resume voting. Until then I will refrain.


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KEYWORDS: amnesty; conservatism; elections; gop; illegalimmigration; wastedvanity
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To: fr_freak
It’s time for the Free Republic Party.

We would kill each other before we finished the primaries.

121 posted on 06/01/2007 6:50:06 PM PDT by Nachoman (Sarcasm. Just one of many services I provide.)
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To: fr_freak
It’s time for the Free Republic Party.

We would kill each other before we finished the primaries.

122 posted on 06/01/2007 6:50:12 PM PDT by Nachoman (Sarcasm. Just one of many services I provide.)
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To: HitmanLV
I’m at +70 or so, which around here makes me a RINO or socialist. Well, there you go.

For each issue, politicians need to be graded on two scales:

  1. To what extent do they push liberal positions.
  2. To what extent do they push conservative positions.
A 'moderate conservative' who on a few issues pushes the conservative side but on other issues remains silent is a very different animal from one who on many issues pushes the conservative side but other issues pushes the liberal side.

The public's reluctance to have a politician who pushes strongly conservatively on almost all issues does not imply that the public wants a politician who balances his conservatism by pushing strongly liberally on other issues.

123 posted on 06/01/2007 6:50:15 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: HitmanLV
I was saying the only way to get things done is to persuade a majority and branch out from just appealing to a nutty 2%

How about just standing firm on your beliefs, and people will inevitable realize you're right and support you?

"Reaching out" doesn't do anything except alienate your faithful to pursue potential voters who may not vote for you anyway.

124 posted on 06/01/2007 6:53:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Natural Law

You can click this link to send a free fax to your senator opposing the shamnesty bill:

http://www.numbersusa.com/dfax?series=30MAY07MS1.html


125 posted on 06/01/2007 6:54:12 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How about just standing firm on your beliefs, and people will inevitable realize you're right and support you?

People will just as often realize you are wrong and not support you.

If you can handle that, fine.

126 posted on 06/01/2007 6:55:46 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV
Shooting illegals on sight at the border probably is hardcore.

No conservative advocate such a position.

You're reduced to pathetic straw-man arguments now.

127 posted on 06/01/2007 6:56:52 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: HitmanLV
OK, let me ask you something:

What do you think things would be like if Pro Lifers just threw in the towel? What if Conservatives said, "oh well, we don't have the majority, so lets not make an issue of it"?

What I learned is that if we threatened not to fund and not to vote, we would get their damn attention. See the Harriet Meir nomination. It seems that Republicans will listen, if enough people let them know that we are serious.

If folks stand back and say "oh well", you get nothing. Stand up and take a post, you get attention.

I think the reason Bush's numbers are so low is because he is acting like a neolib. If he put his Cowboy hat and acted like a Conservative, he would have 40 percent of the people saying he is doing a great job. That would be better then his numbers now. We elected a Republican we want those principles to be upheld.

128 posted on 06/01/2007 6:58:01 PM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

No, I was just giving an example of a hardcore position that would alienate people. And it does.


129 posted on 06/01/2007 6:58:54 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV
It’s the ‘hardcore’ that’s extreme, not the conservatism. Strange your mind darted in that direction, though.

I fully addressed the fallacy in your argument. I regret that you find that troubling, but I cannot in good conscience retract what I wrote, as I believe it to be true.

130 posted on 06/01/2007 6:59:09 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: HitmanLV
I do advocate our elected leaders at least reflect the values of the majority, even if the majority has come t a different conclusion that I have.

That's funny. I advocate that elected leaders should follow the Constitution, regardless of the values of the majority.

131 posted on 06/01/2007 7:00:02 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: do the dhue
What do you think things would be like if Pro Lifers just threw in the towel? What if Conservatives said, "oh well, we don't have the majority, so lets not make an issue of it"?

Honestly, on the abortion issue, I think the status quo would only be a little bit worse than it is now.

132 posted on 06/01/2007 7:00:12 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Natural Law
When either of these two options happen I will again break out the check book and resume voting. Until then I will refrain.

Good, because you're not wise enough to participate in the political process. If you can't figure out how to support candidates that represent your views in the only conservative party that can make a difference in this country, please stay home and eat Cheetos.

But shut up about the politicians you get as a result.

133 posted on 06/01/2007 7:00:22 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Natural Law

Well put, you express the sentiments most of us feel ... But, start the replacement now, only give money directly to real Conservative candidates, not AMNESTY Mel’s RNC.


134 posted on 06/01/2007 7:02:58 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: supercat

I do, too. I was speaking in terms of public policy where the USC gives flexibility to go in any direction.


135 posted on 06/01/2007 7:05:22 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Oberon

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Push your narrow vision too far and a majority tells you to take a hike. If this escapes your reasoning ability, well, there you go.


136 posted on 06/01/2007 7:06:20 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Natural Law
What a lot of Republicans don’t understand when they say, better Rudy than Hillary, is that for many of us, it’s like asking if we would rather be stranded on an island with Joseph Stalin or Jeffery Dahmer. Sure, Stalin would be the worse of the two, but I would rather choose neither.

I truly believe that holding our noses and pulling the lever for a RINO just because he or she is not a Democrat is the reason there are so many RINO’s.

137 posted on 06/01/2007 7:08:23 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: HitmanLV
I have no idea what you’re talking about.

I guess that's what I get for focusing on integrity.

138 posted on 06/01/2007 7:09:04 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: HitmanLV
I’m not trying to get in the middle of this argument, but you keep referring to the “Majority.”

This same “Majority” would take us socialist if the right handouts were offered.

Now is the time to be reinforcing that Republicans are conservative. I think you would be very surprised how conservative the general population is if it is spelled out in a way they can understand.

The problem the majority has is they were educated in public schools, never taught about money, personal responsibility, etc.

If a true conservative who could effectively explain the issues and why they are important to the country came forward, I think there would be a ground swell.

Everyone is tired of the illegals, nervous about the bloated gov. (but if it is going to keep growing, I might as well get mine), the Tax System, sees that there are fundamental flaws in education, etc.

Then, if this same person could get the republicans to get on board with him and map out a plan that was truly conservative and explain what they would do together, the country would support them overwhelmingly.

139 posted on 06/01/2007 7:09:27 PM PDT by Gvl_M3 (Sometimes, you have to stand up for yourself, even if it doesn't look "Compassionate.")
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To: Oberon

Focus also on advancing a political agenda. That’s the point of political power.


140 posted on 06/01/2007 7:10:20 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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