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Calif. gun bill leads the way (barf alert)
Denver Post ^ | 01 june 07

Posted on 06/01/2007 10:08:10 AM PDT by rellimpank

The California state Assembly Tuesday voted to require all new semi-automatic pistols sold in the state to automatically stamp information on shell casings that could help police track down violent criminals.

The California measure, which still has to pass the state Senate, marks an intriguing new development in the war against crime because, unlike some gun-control measures, it doesn't restrict law-abiding citizens' ability to own or carry firearms. Instead, the measure would require that all new semi-automatic pistols sold in California after 2010 contain a microscopic laser etching that will stamp the gun's make, model and serial number on at least two places on the shell casing of a bullet every time the weapon is fired

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To: Abathar

I just don’t see someone with a plan to murder someone buying a new gun. I understand that some do, such as the case with the VT shooter. I agree with domenad on this, I can’t see how this will work.


21 posted on 06/01/2007 10:31:44 AM PDT by JRP0322
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To: chaos_5
“The Governator better veto this one!”

Thats funny. He is for gun control measures like this and at the same time has made his fortune making movies USING assault weapons and such. ALL politicians are __________(fill in the 4 letter word of your choice)

22 posted on 06/01/2007 10:32:11 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: domenad

I will go shoot someone and put the gun in your house.


23 posted on 06/01/2007 10:33:55 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: JRP0322

“I just don’t see someone with a plan to murder someone buying a new gun.”

You mean like drive by shooters and bank robbers drive their OWN cars to commit the crime?


24 posted on 06/01/2007 10:35:58 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: domenad
***Someone explain to me what’s wrong with this legislation.***]

Wrong? Oh nothing really.

Btw, tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. report to your local Police Station to be finger printed, your DNA swabbed and a mug shot taken for 'record purposes'.

If you're not a criminal what's the big deal, nothing's 'wrong', correct?

25 posted on 06/01/2007 10:36:10 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Spktyr

You nailed it well, but I would add another reason. The idea is to get the populace used to the concept that the number and type of guns owned by an individual should be limited and accounted for by the state.

It is the holy grail of “gun control”, because once only registered and accounted for guns are “legal” the state has effectively initiated confiscation. It only becomes a matter of time. Those who are interested can do a search for my essay “Registration is Confiscation” which was posted on Freerepublic some years ago.


26 posted on 06/01/2007 10:36:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Spktyr

Your point #1 - agree manufacturers won’t want to make a California only version, but suppose they instead just up the price and include this feature in all their products ?


27 posted on 06/01/2007 10:37:20 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: hophead
Well, I can proudly say I did not vote for him. Count me with the 2% that supported Oliver. LOL
28 posted on 06/01/2007 10:38:46 AM PDT by chaos_5 (1-800-882-2005 Amnesty Hot-line!)
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To: hophead

Most drive by shooters don’t leave part of thier car a the scene. If they buy this weapon they will leave a lot at the scene unless they pick up thier brass after every shooting.


29 posted on 06/01/2007 10:40:40 AM PDT by JRP0322
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To: rellimpank

If this passes, I’m gonna start a firing pin business.

I should be able to move a bunch of pins in a short time!!

YEEEHAAAA, stupid is as stupid does and stupid in this case will make me RICH! RICH I TELL YOU.

Pass the law NOW, DON’T WAIT, I ALREADY HAVE MY WEB PAGE MADE!


30 posted on 06/01/2007 10:41:04 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: domenad
Someone explain to me what’s wrong with this legislation.

It's wrong because I said so.

Now go to your room.

31 posted on 06/01/2007 10:41:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: Abathar
A series of sharp electroplated carbide code dots on the chamber walls will imprint the numbers on the casing side, and of course having the firing pin can be etched as well to leave them.

Of course, this will make the casing harder to extract, resulting in more malfunctions.

I suggest the police do this first and let's see what happens.

32 posted on 06/01/2007 10:42:18 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: 1066AD

Why would they wish to do that? It could add as much as $100 to the price of every gun, plus it would make replacement parts harder to make and more expensive to sell. This would price guns out of the reach of those who need them the most - the law abiding with little money living in bad neighborhoods.

Plus, considering the world arms market doesn’t require it, most of their customers don’t want it, and S&W showed them what happens when they make a deal with the devil, why on earth would they do that?


33 posted on 06/01/2007 10:42:42 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: JRP0322

Many drive-by shooters are using illegally imported automatic weapons (those that aren’t stolen-and-illegally-converted. And, on top of that, they’ve taken to firing from inside the car, so the brass doesn’t leave the vehicle.


34 posted on 06/01/2007 10:44:39 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Eh, most of them are looking at putting the stamp on the firing pin and the breech face.

That said, though, the police will be exempt from this, as they always are in CA.


35 posted on 06/01/2007 10:47:31 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rellimpank

Maybe this will open up a whole new field of gunsmithing with “designer chambers”. You can get your gang logo or favorite slogan on every round!


36 posted on 06/01/2007 10:48:58 AM PDT by Sender ("America is at that awkward stage..." - Claire Wolfe)
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To: rellimpank

Revolvers don’t leave casings at the scene, unless you are clumsy enough to drop them.


37 posted on 06/01/2007 10:49:43 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Sender

If so, I predict that “F**k the police” will be a best-seller.


38 posted on 06/01/2007 10:49:53 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rellimpank

Give me a Dremel and a glue wheel and about five minutes, I’ll show you a stupid, stupid, waste of time and money law, that even idiots wouldn’t want to be associated with.


39 posted on 06/01/2007 10:50:02 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Spktyr

I’m not sure this will pass both houses and whether Arnold would sign it if it does pass. I am sure that some day we will have another dem guv and we can expect a lot of these restrictive laws (ammo tax, etc.) to be pushed again.


40 posted on 06/01/2007 10:50:18 AM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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