Posted on 05/22/2007 9:29:44 AM PDT by SittinYonder
"The Republican Party is falling apart," said one insider to me recently. "The GOP has become the party of neoliberal corporate globalism, not the party of conservatism," said another. Perhaps election 2008 will be the last hurrah. Other than Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter, the GOP presidential candidates are a joke. The rest are all neoliberal, interventionist globalists.
Look how we've derailed..."
Iraq is a huge mistake, a neocon experiment in utopianism, and we are paying the price. Bush's foreign policy is not conservative. It is Wilsonian nation building. The transformation of the Middle East to liberal democracy is Jacobin, not conservative. And it is because of the neocon war machine in the Middle East that we are hated.
If we really want to end terrorism in the U.S., then we should completely disengage from the Middle East. We should (1) completely withdraw from the Middle East, (2) end foreign aid to all Middle Eastern countries, (3) deport all Muslims from the West, and (4) end all immigration from the third world.
Many fail to realize it, but terrorism is more an immigration issue than Middle Eastern issue. If Seung-Hui Ch? had not been allowed to immigrate hither, the Virginia Tech massacre would not have happened. Three of the terrorists recently nabbed in New Jersey (plotting to attack Ft. Dix) were illegal immigrants who entered the U.S. from Mexico. And almost all previous terrorists, including those on Sept. 11, were either legal or illegal third-world immigrants.
As Jean Raspail said in Camp of the Saints, "the greatest piece of conservative fiction ever written," there is a third-world invasion of the West taking place. We are under attack. And we can either make a stand against the third-world hordes, or we can watch the West crumble.
We must address the problem now. We need deportations, attrition, employer sanctions, and all immigration (legal and illegal) to end from the third world.
But many seem not to care. Many politicians and corporations are supporting this invasion. Why? Either for cheap votes or to drive down American wages.
Failure to address this invasion not only is a dereliction of duty, but it is a form of treason. And many of the presidential candidates are guilty of treason? Rudolph Giuliani, John McCain, Sam Brownback, Tommy Thompson, Mike Huckabee - and let's not forget Barack Hussein Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Edwards. Traitors, ever last one of them.
And then there's free trade, which is destroying our economy and undermining our sovereignty. But the neocons / neoliberals have their heads in the sand, wanting to take free trade to its logical conclusion in some perverse suicide pact.
The Democratic Party, which in the 19th century was the conservative party while the GOP was the left-wing party, betrayed the U.S. decades ago. And now the GOP is going the same globalist route? neoliberal wars, mass immigration to drive down American wages, and suicidal free trade pacts.
Do not stand for this nonsense!
If Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter does not get the GOP nomination, then vote third party. Refuse to support the neocon / neoliberal globalist machine. If the GOP continues down this path, it is doomed anyway and, hopefully, out of the ashes a true conservative party will arise, perhaps the Constitution Party or the America First Party.
Or perhaps a new party will form, hopefully one modeling itself after the British National Party, Front National, or Vlaams Belang - all conservative parties in Europe, and conservative in the true sense of the word: the conservation of Western man. Not the phony neocon nonsense we have in the U.S.
In bold, no less. With an exclamation point. I guess if I’m not careful, you might resort to all caps, and who knows where that might lead?
Please address Ron Paul’s ‘9-11 was an inside job’ idea, and his efforts to coordinate with Dennis Kucinich to get to the bottom of it. After doing so, refer back to my initial post on this thread. I neglected to mention whackjob Truthers as loathsome and despicable, but would assuredly have done so had I known I was dealing with one.
No apologies from me.
So now I'm an anti-semite, a Scientologist and a 9/11 truther ... this after I just told you I don't agree with or endorse Paul when it comes to the WOT.
You really are a nasty person. You know you're wrong. You know you can't support what you've said about me. So you just make up stuff, project onto me things I have not said, refuse to address any of the points I've raised - ie. how do Paul's statements I posted conflict with conservative principles?
I don't know what's driving your insanity, but you need to get back on the pills.
Now apologize.
Good article. Unfortunately, I am keeping my hopes low as the elites tend to become more globalist over time.
India is a more advanced country than the Latin ones in this sense: It seems they care more about learning and earning as opposed to revolution and crime.
India is a child of Great Britain, as are we, Australia, NZ and Canada. India and Australia have more in common with us in terms of the will to fight.
“With this one sentence, Basil proves himself to be a mo-ron.”
Uh, I don’t think so.
The south was fully Democrat at that time, but has shifted to Republican and still very conservative.
The sad thing is that carpetbaggers from northern states like New Jersey are flooding into the south and diluting our conservatism.
It was meant to make people think, then the sillyness of your original assertion, factually correct or not, would become readily apparent.
Besides it was those "suthun Democrats" that gave us the national income tax (soak those rich Yankees) and other populist idiocy. Lets also not forget their support of the New Deal, which, as you probably know, made the depression last LONGER, that is until Pearl Harbor...
It’s generally true someone posts an article on this forum because one is fully in agreement with its contents or because one wants to underscore the absurdities of the moonbat left. You, on the other hand, refuse to claim identification with the central ideas expressed in the article, which is rife with extremist and fringe references and beliefs, either implied or stated outright. According to you, SittinYonder, you merely posted it to ‘encourage discussion’. Do you think posting portions of Mao’s ‘Little Red Book’ or Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ would encourage discussion? I’m sure they would. It would also make you an object of derision and scorn, and rightfully so. Sometimes Stormfront trolls will come over here and post vaguely worded, pseudo-scientific articles from the vile ‘New Renaissance’ site or whatever on the supposed disparities between the races, in order to insinuate their various pathologies into the forum in an attempt to ‘mainstream’ their extremist viewpoints, or DU trolls will do something similar, in hopes of exposing the conservative right as inherently racist, ignorant, and hateful. They always give themselves away.
I think you’re testing the waters, posting an article oozing with conspiratorial bile and then making above-it-all, noncommittal remarks about the validity of its central message. I’ll give you points for originality of approach, but the article speaks for itself: paranoid, extremist, reality-challenged. And you posted it. For discussion.
The Democratic Party base has been taken over by far-left, moonbat MoveOn extremists. It happened because mainstream, old-school Truman Democrats didn’t speak out, react, or respond until it was too late. The right has its own fringe, a fringe that seems intent upon copying the methods of its left-wing counterparts—witness the recent spamming of on-line internet polls, as only one example. Witness, too, blogosphere attacks on figures like Charles Johnson and Michelle Malkin—attacks coordinated by Paul supporters, among others. I’m no Pat Buchanan fan, but at least he and his supporters play it straight.
In any event, the fringe of the right—which is, by the way, not representative of conservative ideals—is not going to suborn the Republican Party without me and people like me just standing by, doing nothing. So take your notions of Neo-con/Neo-liberal global conspiracy elsewhere.
For the very last time, you’ll receive no apologies from me.
You declined the opportunity to point out where Ron Paul on three issues is not conservative.
It’s generally true someone posts an article on this forum because one is fully in agreement with its contents or because one wants to underscore the absurdities of the moonbat left.
That is not "generally true." People post articles here all day long simply for the opportunity to discuss. There are parts of the article I do agree with. There are other parts I disagree with. I wanted to hear what others on this forum thought about the article, and most people who responded gave thoughtful input.
You - more intellectual than wise - chose instead to fling bile.
You're wrong in your accusations against me, and rather than acknowledge your error and apologize for your nasty remarks, you just offer more ridiculous and completely unfounded accusations.
I think your attitude and behavior are more in line with what you claim to be your "former" liberal self.
What I think is that you are a globalist, that national sovereignty means nothing to you, and to defend your globalist positions you can only reach back to that playbook your "former" colleagues on the left utilized: Call 'em racists!
To deflect from the globalist agenda you support, you attempt to smear as an anti-semite anyone who isn't in favor of erasing our national identity in favor of becoming citizens of the world.
I further suspect you spend your days writing editorials for some left-leaning newspaper somewhere - your writing style, inability to acknowledge that you are wrong, desire to shift the debate in order to deflect from your own shortcomings and to reshape those you disagree with as "loathsome and despicable" - it all adds up to that most lowly of lows: the editorial page editor. Sure, maybe you're an accountant or a janitor, but you dream of being an editorial page editor, don't you?
You can't defend the statements you've made, but you're too arrogant or foolish (likely both) to admit them. So you just compound them, ignoring anything that might threaten your ego.
You owe me an apology. You posted nasty statements about me personally that were unfounded and untrue. At least act like you have some honor.
Apologize.
Commercial artist, thanks. Oh, and a published genre novelist and award-winning, literary short-story writer, too. Like most people with liberal arts degrees, I’ve also been a waiter, a carpenter, and—for three very long years—a dishwasher. And even if I was a janitor, I know there’s no shame in honest work. I come from a long line of farmers and coal miners. Professional status is simply not a concern. Also, while I’m brandishing background and credentials, I’m an airborne infantry veteran, a former weapons squad leader.
About honor, since you brought it up: I once had a karate sensei who asked, ‘What is honor?’ because some of the younger men in the dojo thought honor was something worth fighting for although none could define it when directly asked. He answered the question: ‘Honor is being held in the esteem of men of character.’
You posted a piece of extremist, paranoid nonsense and—when pressed—attempt to distance yourself from the ideas and sentiments expressed in its content. Here’s a splash of cold, hard reality: you’re simply not going to mainstream guys like Ron Paul, the Illuminati is not pulling the strings, aliens did not cross an ocean of space and time in order to abduct you for experimentation, and that anal probe you dream about is strictly wishful thinking.
Being held in your esteem is of no consequence to me.
No apology.
We are hated because our possession of power prevents other evil ambitious men from getting their way in the world.
We will be hated until we are powerless (and then despised). It is the price of the brass ring.
If you can't deal with the world's opposition, maybe you should consider lawn darts instead of world politics as a pastime.
Stupid?? It's the truth. He's not the only mass murderer who was an unsuccesful immigrant from an alien culture. Given that at least half of the world would love to live here, we can pick and choose who gets the enormous privilege of moving here. This kid was known to be troubled back in Korea, and he slaughtered 32 American students.
If we can't even say we're entitled to keep kids like him out, or that it was a mistake to let him (and his family, therefore) come here, we're pretty suicidal.
Well, you've certainly done your share of fiction writing on this thread. Come on and admit it, how many times have you applied to be an editorial page editor?
Being held in your esteem is of no consequence to me.
I couldn't care less what's of consequence to you. You charged me with, among other things, anti-semitism. It's a lie that you can't support with anything but your fiction. Find the post to prove I'm an anti-semite or apologize.
Perhaps from your "former" liberal days you're accustomed to throwing around lies and attempting to demean other people because you can't win an argument with them on ideas, but it's exceptionally poor behavior. You owe me an apology.
I'm confident I won't get the apology ... you've shown the shallowness of your character already, but your refusal to apologize doesn't change the fact that you are wrong about me, have lied about me and therefore owe me an apology.
Apologize.
Go back and take a look at the first 50 posts of this thread. Before you ever came to this thread I had:
1. Said I don't endorse the author;
2. Said I posted this just for discussion;
3. Stated clearly my position on Ron Paul.
You didn't press me and I didn't attempt to do anything.
I am not an anti-semite. While I like Ron Paul and appreciate very much that we've got at least somebody in Congress who has read the Constitution, I do not endorse or support all of his ideas. I've never voted for him in a poll, online or anywhere else.
This little pissing contest with you is amusing and everything, and I understand that someone with your ridiculous ego would never, ever apologize just because you were wrong. But you really shouldn't jump in calling people names without something to back it up. You lower the level of debate by screaming anti-semite at "fellow" conservatives. Trying to paint me into an extremist is ridiculous ... my views are absolutely mainstream conservatism (though granted they've fallen out with Republicans lately).
You owe me an apology, and you won't apologize, but you really should consider your conduct.
Fascist, anti-semitic, anti-Christian. Pure Evil.
Hunter, Tancredo, and Paul should renounce this guy immediately. It is "friends" like him that keep them from being taken seriously.
Inform me, how was he troubled. Always willing to discuss...
“a new party will form, hopefully one modeling itself after the British National Party, Front National, or Vlaams Belang”
In fact they are magnets for the devout. All the very religious people I know in the UK vote BNP, and all the practicing Catholics in France support the FN.
They also are not anti-semetic. They just think that they should have a foreign policy that puts their own countries’ interests above Israel’s. Imagine that.
These parties are conservative in the true and traditional sense..as the article says. It is the GOP that is the left-wing fraud.
They also are not anti-semetic.[sic] They just think that they should have a foreign policy that puts their own countries’ interests above Israel’s. Imagine that.
Congratulations.
That ranks as the most ridiculous thing I have ever read! And you signed up just to post that.
IIRC, it's correct that family members talked about him not speaking to anyone. I don't know that anyone realized he was homicidal at that time, but I think it was obvious at a young age - prior to coming to the U.S. - that he was crazy on some level.
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