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Ancient Star Nearly as Old as the Universe
www.space.com ^ | 05/10/2007 | Ker Than

Posted on 05/11/2007 8:09:45 AM PDT by Red Badger

Long before our solar system formed and even before the Milky Way assumed its final spiral shape, a star slightly smaller than the Sun blazed into life in our galaxy, formed from the newly scattered remains of the first stars in the universe.

Employing techniques similar to those used to date archeological remains here on Earth, scientists have learned that a metal-poor star in our Milky Way called HE 1523 is 13.2 billion years old-just slightly younger than 13.7 billion year age of the universe. Our solar system is estimated to be only about 4.6 billion years old.

The findings are detailed in the May 10 issue of Astrophysical Journal.

Chemical dating

Like other early stars, HE 1523 contains very few elements heavier than hydrogen or helium. But it does have some. In particular, it contains radioactive metals such as uranium and thorium, both of which have extremely long half-lives.

A radioactive element's half life is the time it takes for one half of the original sample to decay.

If scientists know an element's half life and the amount of the original sample, they can estimate an object's age based on how much of the element is left. Uranium and thorium have half-lives of 4.7 billion years and 14 billion years, respectively.

"If you know how much there was in the first place-and I'm getting these numbers from theorists-then you take your measurements and off you go," explained study leader Anna Frebel of the University of Texas.

This same technique is used with a radioactive form of carbon, called carbon-14, to date fossils rocks and archeological remains.

The uranium and thorium in HE 1523 were probably leftover elements from first generation stars that exploded as supernovas and scattered their atomic ashes through space. Second generation stars like HE 1523 formed from those strewn elements.

The researchers obtained a high quality light signature of the star by observing it with the European Southern Observatory's Very Large Telescope (VLT) for 7.5 hours. From the star's spectrum, the researchers calculated the amount of uranium and thorium it still contained.

Because the uranium and thorium were formed during the supernova explosion of another star, what the researchers really dated was the age of the supernova. But, as Frebel notes, "the time between the supernova and [the birth of HE 1523] is relatively short compared to the age of the star."

Not the oldest

Scientists are not sure how far away HE 1523 is located, but the star can be seen with the aid of a telescope from the Southern Hemisphere, Frebel said. It is currently a bloated red giant star, and nearing the end of its life, but should still be around for quite a while, she added.

While HE 1523 certainly ranks among the oldest stars in the Milky Way, it probably is not the oldest. "This star has a certain metallicity by which we measure its chemical primitiveness, but there are other stars out there that are even more primitive in their nature," Frebel told SPACE.com.

Scientists think the first stars in the universe formed between 30 and 150 million years after the Big Bang and were massive behemoths, with masses up to 200 times that of our Sun. Scientists think those stellar first born burned brightly and quickly, lasting only a few hundred million years before exhausting their fuels and winking out as black holes or exploding as supernovas.

"Massive stars have a much shorter life time than low mass stars," Frebel said. HE 1523 "is probably a 0.8 solar mass star, and that's why it can still survive until today."

Recent observations of a supernova 240 million-light years away suggests the explosive star deaths of early stars were fundamentally different from the supernovas of later stars, and that they lasted longer, burned brighter and were fueled by an exotic antimatter engine.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: astronomy; haltonarp; space; star; tomjones; universe
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PLEASE! NO PICS OF HT!...........
1 posted on 05/11/2007 8:09:49 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

When we are talking about more than a few million years, it is a bit hard to grasp don’t ya think?

Time as we perceive it almost becomes irrlevant. As, of course, do we - as mortal, corporeal individuals at least.


2 posted on 05/11/2007 8:13:55 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Red Badger

By my calculations, their numbers are off by 112 years...


3 posted on 05/11/2007 8:14:19 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Red Badger
>> Ancient Star Nearly as Old as the Universe

Elizabeth Taylor?

4 posted on 05/11/2007 8:16:34 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: econjack

There off by 112.7...to be exact.


5 posted on 05/11/2007 8:17:38 AM PDT by Obadiah (Republicans - the battered wives of Democrats.)
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To: econjack
By my calculations, their numbers are off by 112 years...

112 years, 1 month, 2 weeks, three days, four hours and five minutes.

6 posted on 05/11/2007 8:17:44 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a Mac)
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To: Red Badger

The author, Ker Than, sounds like an alien name from a science fiction story. Is he really an earthling?


7 posted on 05/11/2007 8:18:51 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Red Badger

Exotic antimatter engine?

Me like


8 posted on 05/11/2007 8:19:53 AM PDT by wastedyears (I was opposed to Rudy in the mid 1990s when he took my fireworks away. I was but a little boy.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

The enviros I know are stupefied when I say, “In the end, our Sun will become a Red Giant and everything on this planet will be burned to nothing. Plants, animals, humans, oceans, moon, everything will be gone. So no matter what you do, eventually it will all be gone in an instant”...........


9 posted on 05/11/2007 8:20:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: Red Badger

Inside the Milky Way is it? Most of those first generation stars are long gone; we’re probably generation four by now.


10 posted on 05/11/2007 8:20:39 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Red Badger
"Employing techniques similar to those used to date archeological remains here on Earth, scientists have learned that a metal-poor star in our Milky Way called HE 1523 is 13.2 billion years old-just slightly younger than 13.7 billion year age of the universe."

LOL, I love to read the vanity of scientists along with drinking my coffee, which I have calculated to have come from a coffee bean that was picked about 1.997 months ago, from a coffee plantation that has produced rich coffee beans for about 3,000 years, or about 3,000 years after the earth was created by God.

11 posted on 05/11/2007 8:20:44 AM PDT by CeasarsGhost
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To: RightWhale
...we’re probably generation four by now.

Is that before or after GenX or GenY?........

12 posted on 05/11/2007 8:22:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: Red Badger

Long before that the oceans will boil off. Possibly the planet itself will be vaporized. Global Flash Vaporization.


13 posted on 05/11/2007 8:23:11 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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"If you know how much there was in the first place-and I'm getting these numbers from theorists-then you take your measurements and off you go,"

Sounds a little bit close to “making it up” to me, but what do I know?

14 posted on 05/11/2007 8:24:02 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Red Badger

Generation Why?


15 posted on 05/11/2007 8:24:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: wastedyears

I don’t know what’s so exotic about it, Star Trek’s had one for decades!........


16 posted on 05/11/2007 8:25:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: dead
Sounds a little bit close to “making it up” to me, but what do I know?

That's what I thought, too. Just pick a number out of thin air......or in this case, space.......

17 posted on 05/11/2007 8:26:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: CeasarsGhost
produced rich coffee beans for about 3,000 years, or about 3,000 years after the earth was created by God

Hate to break it to you but the earth is a couple billion years old. Understanding recognizing with the abilities God has given us the actual age of the earth in no way detracts from the knowledge that it was He who created it. I don't understand how He created it as it is beyond my ken, as well as yours. However I seriously doubt God would want us to forgo all common sense just to accept an actual number that can be found nowhere in the Bible.

18 posted on 05/11/2007 8:27:33 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Red Badger

“If you know how much there was in the first place-and I’m getting these numbers from theorists-then you take your measurements and off you go,”

There is the problem. These scientists have no clue how much there was in the first place. There figures are just stone-age guesses.


19 posted on 05/11/2007 8:28:29 AM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: T'wit

...Maybe Jane Fonda??? Is there a link for the supernova that appeared this week???


20 posted on 05/11/2007 8:28:42 AM PDT by gargoyle
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