Poll: Giuliani, McCain lead the pack [Giuliani's numbers plunge]

CNN ^ | May 07, 2007 | None Attributed

[gpapa]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A year and a half before the 2008 presidential election, Rudy Giuliani and Sen. John McCain are leading the Republican pack, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll out Monday.

Asked whom they would most likely support for the Republican nomination, 25 percent of people who identified themselves as Republicans or leaning Republican cited the former mayor of New York and 23 percent cited the senator from Arizona.

[George W. Bush]

This is another rigged libmedia poll.

Now that Rudi has self-immolated on a scale that cannot be denied, libmedia is playing the McStain card.

Libmedia will continue to offer the fiction that McStain and the leftwing mayor are in some kind of dead heat, trying to lure more Repulicans to commit support and resources to the campaign of one of them.

Always remember, they only ease the polls toward anything resembling accurate results in the last month prior to elections.

Until an election comes along to prove or disprove their polling, they can use them to produce any result they want, use them to maintain any fiction they choose. The one thing we know is that they will never favor actual Republicans. BTW, did you notice that new reporting on the Republicans who are deserting the GOP to support Obama? It's pure insanity. We always get all these reports of how lifelong Republican voters are deserting the party by the millions. Until libmedia can no longer maintain the fiction when elections approach.

Neither McStain nor the leftwing mayor will be our nominee. The purpose of these polls is to cause internecine strife and wasted resources within the GOP.

I think the true picture is that Hunter has moved within striking distance of the first-tier candidates and Romney is closing on or actually in the lead. I think that Fred Thompson's position simply cannot be evaluated by polling at this time and any number they report for him is guesswork.

[pissant]

We certainly are closer in thought on this subject than the last we chatted about. LOL

[veronica]

The aggregate number of all the polls at RCP is a good one to track, as any poll that is an outlier is in essence eliminated. That is the number I always look at in election cycles. Over time it proves accurate.

[TAdams8591]

I believe your’re right, though I thought there would be more of a bump after the debate.

[George W. Bush]

We certainly are closer in thought on this subject than the last we chatted about.

A happier thread, no doubt.

What happened to the FreeRepublic that knew these polls are bogus, that they're tools to manipulate opinion and diminish the chances of conservative success?

I want that cynical old FreeRepublic back again, the FreeRepublic that could smell opinion-shaping by the media a mile off. I'm not as fond of this new live-by-the-polls bunch of FReepers we have now.

[TAdams8591]

"I think the true picture is that Hunter has moved within striking distance of the first-tier candidates and Romney is closing on or actually in the lead. I think that Fred Thompson's position simply cannot be evaluated by polling at this time and any number they report for him is guesswork."

I think you're probably right. Romney should have had more of a bump after his appearance on the tonight show, and winning the Republican debates.

[pissant]

Not sure. But there is no doubt in my mind that liberal polling outfits do there best to shape opinion. It is the nature of liberals.

[Mr. Silverback]

This is not surprising. Look for Romney to continue slowly improving his position.

I suspect the last two men standing in the late primaries will be Fred and Mitt.

[NeoCaveman]

Mitt is now leading in New Hampshire. If he can hold NH and move up in Iowa. He’ll be the front runner, regardless of what national polls say.

[Grunthor]

“Fred is doing pretty well, considering that he hasn’t announced.”

If he announces I feel that his support will come from McCain and Romney, possible from the more conservative atthe bottom as well. He would beat Rudy without breaking much of a sweat.

[George W. Bush]

Romney should have had more of a bump after his appearance on the tonight show, and winning the Republican debates.

I believe they were milling in confusion, waiting for one of the others or the NYT/WP to go first to set the pace for their false polling.

It's essentially a question of how believable they can make it and how much discord or confusion they can sow in the GOP ranks with their false polling.

I suspect they are still just testing the waters on this polling. What I notice is how hesitant they seem to have been to report what their current results are.

At this point, their job is to obscure the real results. Obscuring the frontrunner will inevitably cause some party leaders to back the wrong horse and will cause more donors to give money to the fake frontrunners and thereby cause us to waste our resources.

The beginning of error here is to ever believe that they operate truthfully or that they do not use their results to harm the GOP as much as possible. It's not like manipulating polls is rocket science, either in the choice of pollees, the time and location of polling, or the questions used and the phrasing, or in the compilation of results.

We must know, first and foremost, that libmedia funds these polls and they will pay more for the polls which match their agenda. And libmedia is not our friend. Ever.

[Mr. Silverback]

Plus there’s that whole “speaking at the NARAL Awards dinner thing...and praising Margaret sanger while he was there. That means he’s either intellectually sloppy, a suckup, or willing to overlook her nazi sympathies for the sake of abortion.

[Mr. Silverback]

The circular firing squad around here is emblematic of why we’re looking at President Hillary.

Are you actually thinking only Rudy can win, or are you actually thinking that we can't compare candidates (in a primary process, hint, hint!) without irreparably damaging the party?

[Mr. Silverback]

possible from the more conservative atthe bottom as well.

Right now I'm leaning heavily toward Hunter, but since he's not going anywhere, I will probably back Fred if he gets in. I think there are a lot of people like me.

[gonewt]

Are you actually thinking only Rudy can win, or are you actually thinking that we can't compare candidates (in a primary process, hint, hint!) without irreparably damaging the party?

Do yourself a favor and COUNT the venomous anti-Giuliani threads. I'm not favoring Giuliani -- I agree that he's not ideal.

But what's happening here isn't merely "comparing candidates." There's a very sour tone to the debate and I, for one, think that we're dead in the water in 2008 unless something changes.

[rockinqsranch]

Let’s all never forget “Howlin’s” post that told us about the man behind the scenes of CNN/ORC.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1766672/posts

[CTSeditor]

CNN is the poll of choice now?

[TAdams8591]

I believe your entire post is absolutely correct. Thank you for making those points for all our benefit.

[Wilhelm Tell]

The circular firing squad around here is emblematic of why we're looking at President Hillary.

And I'm afraid we will have plenty of time to argue over who is the purest of the pure while on the way to the re-education camps.

[napscoordinator]

Hunter is still 1 percent? I guess people are clearly not impressed with him. I mean if his could not double his numbers after the debate than I don’t know if he has a chance. Americans are just not interested in a conservative candidate for 2008. This is a sad commentary if you ask me.