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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

(Excerpt) Read more at vtnews.vt.edu ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: ilovew
Link to cell phone video
1,501 posted on 04/16/2007 12:14:49 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (If Rudy is the GOP's guy, I'm voting for Hillary. Hey, why do anything half ass?)
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Link to cell phone video
1,502 posted on 04/16/2007 12:14:59 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (If Rudy is the GOP's guy, I'm voting for Hillary. Hey, why do anything half ass?)
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To: Quix

I didn’t know that, but I’m not surprised. I’m very concerned about the divisions getting wider in our country all the time. They’ll cause us to implode from within if we’re not careful. That makes it easier for an external enemy.


1,503 posted on 04/16/2007 12:15:15 PM PDT by twigs
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To: dfwgator

Appears to be a lot of senseless speculation in this thread...


1,504 posted on 04/16/2007 12:15:52 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: outofstyle

What if this had been a suicide bomber instead of a gunmen? I bet the liberals if set up bommb free zones to stop that from being a problem, too.


1,505 posted on 04/16/2007 12:15:58 PM PDT by A. Morgan (Fred Thompson’s record is solid. He does not waffle. Fred Thompson 2008.)
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To: spunkets

You’re ridiculous.

If you READ my post, perhaps you’d notice that I even said faculty, et al (RESPONSIBLE mature adults) should be allowed to carry.

The truth is - it’s not emotional, it’s observation and “life’s school” - college kids are largely irresponsible selfish immature self-absorbed hedonists. It’s alot worse than 50 years ago.

As for your “ridiculous” - how? It’s the TRUTH that courts and government building AND DEFENSE PLANTS, etc, have NO-WEAPONS rules, for damn good reason.

For the record, I am 1 who thinks noone should have to have any kind of license to carry in general public. I don’t think there should be any CCW - why conceal? I prefer people let it hang out if they want. Then indeed, there’d be even less carnage because the crooks could SEE 1st thing people had guns and would be scared to ask. No guessing.

That’s me. I believe in total freedom with some logical, LOW-LEVEL exceptions. We’re not talking state-wide bans, here. Tiny areas.


1,506 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:03 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: spunkets; oceanview
This thread does concern politics geneous. Those students were left defenseless, because of gun grabbing clowns like Giuliani and his supporters.

Giuliani had a shooting incident a little like this. In 1998 he had the incident with the Empire State Building observation deck shooter who randomly shot a bunch of tourists. This guy was a Muslim and he even gave every indicator that this was a terrorist attack. The U.S. State Department list the attack as a "Serious Terrorist Incident". Giuliani's FIRST instinct was to get a bunch of Democrats together and to hold a press conference to openly say that the terrorist incident should be used to push for national gun control laws including the one being promoted by President Bill Clinton. Based upon that record, when it comes to terrorist incidents wherein the perps use firearms, one can assume that if this incident happened during a Giuliani administration (gag, retch) that he would do pretty much the same thing.

And if it is relevant to bring up concealed carry laws in relation to this incident, then it is relevant to bring up other gun grabbing legislation and prominent people and candidates who promote such gun grabbing legislation no matter how much it may hurt a Rudytard's liberal feelings.

1,507 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:09 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; Spktyr

I sure don’t carry my .44 in any stupid backpack!

And I could have drawn and put 4 Blue Glasers in his upper body mass before he could have blinked.

- Story is changing already -

MSNBC (alleges) the killer had:

One 9mm handgun

One .22 handgun

This may or may not be accurate

MSNBC is already interviewing a shrink who is talking of “root causes” and “history”!

Who cares!

The only thing the shrink had right is this was pre-meditated and based on previous killer’s methods

The time lapse between intial shooting(s?) and the mass killings is odd

Blame this on Schumer, McCarthy, Feinstein, Kennedy, Boxer, Kerry, Leahy, Edwards, Hillary -

And they will now be coming after your legally owned firearms

It would be a huge mistake to target me and mine


1,508 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:16 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: LexHoskin
"In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

And in the country of the disarmed, the homicidal dip-shit with a handgun is king.

What a freakin' tragedy...

1,509 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:26 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

The scenario you have set forth here would make sense of the timeline of events...


1,510 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:27 PM PDT by keeper53 ( "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot)
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To: Little Bill
June 2006, 21 year old student of -Indian- extraction detained for bomb threats in Blackburg Virginia.

All web sites mentioning his name are being -blocked-.

Google yourself and see what I mean.

Do -not- post this person’s name until an official announcement is made.

1,511 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:33 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: MaestroLC

‘Everyone Started Panicking and Jumping Out the Window’

Students Talk to ABC News Now About the Va. Tech Massacre, a Day They Will Never Forget

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3046125&page=1


1,512 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:48 PM PDT by JustPiper ("It's one thing to authorize. It's another thing to actually appropriate the money and do it")
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To: oceanview

Seems like common sense but sometimes the “shock” can paralyze you. It’s not everyday you see your fellow students getting murdered/executed and remembering some type of training you learned to stop the murdering coward.


1,513 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:50 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: MaestroLC

Thanks for posting that link. That was aired on MSNBC at 1:30 (EST). I posted details about it four times, but too many people here want to believe that it was a terrorist attack by Muslims.

MSNBC just aired an interview with a student named Trey Perkins who helped Derrick O’Dell (the shooting victim from your link) barricade the door. The shooter was trying to reenter the classroom.


1,514 posted on 04/16/2007 12:16:59 PM PDT by Mad-Margaret
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To: All
June 2006, 21 year old student of -Indian- extraction detained for bomb threats in Blackburg Virginia.

All web sites mentioning his name are being -blocked-.

Google yourself and see what I mean.

Do -not- post this person’s name until an official announcement is made.

1,515 posted on 04/16/2007 12:17:21 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Cell phone cameras have horrible sound recording capabilities, plus there had to have been a lot of echoes.

A 9mm *is* a major caliber and it is a killer; part of the reason the SAS loves their Browning High Powers. I suspect that most of those fatalities were due to blood loss and shock, though, not instant fatalities.


1,516 posted on 04/16/2007 12:17:21 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Then I am sure that the People’s Republic of Maryland is just to your liking. Here in Virginia the only government buildings we cannot legally carry in are courthouses and the federal reserve banks, and the jury is still out on post offices. Don’t export that Maryland brand of conservatism?” here.


1,517 posted on 04/16/2007 12:17:24 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Are you talking about the bombing suspect? He was released to his parents until his April sentencing...


1,518 posted on 04/16/2007 12:17:36 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: beezdotcom
first had an argument with his girlfriend - it escalated, and he shot her. Then, about an hour later, he went over to Norris Hall and started popping people. All hearsay, of course.

I'll only buy that if they were arguing about his plan to go out and murder as many Tech students as he could and he killed her to prevent her from calling the authorities. This was a well planned event. I'm still not completely buying the lone gunman theory here.

1,519 posted on 04/16/2007 12:17:52 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Who is John Galt?

Just ONE student or teacher carrying a concealed weapon could have shot the killer and thereby at least limited the bloodshed.


1,520 posted on 04/16/2007 12:18:09 PM PDT by pleikumud
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